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  If Jehovah hates magic, why is it ok to go to Magic theme parks such as Disneyland the Magic Kingdom and not be disfellowshipped for it?

  by Greybeard in

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  if jehovah hates magic, why is it ok to go to magic theme parks such as disney land the magic kingdom?

  i grew up a jw and we all went to disney land and magic mountain.

  if jehovah hates magic then why are these places not forbidden?

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  Perry

  I don't mind the hot jets, burns the fuel more efficiently than on idle. I'm leaving for Europe shorty, so this will be my last post for a little bit. Just some from-the-hip thoughts to your comments:

  Would you say Jesus had access to hidden knowledge?

  I say that Jesus was unique. He was flesh and blood like you and me as the son of Mary. But I believe his spirit was the substance of God himself. That is why he could both truthfully say that the Father was greater than he, and at other times equate himself with God. He willingly made his human animal (flesh) subservient to his own Spirit, the essence of God himself. He was fully man and fully God.

  With us it is different. We are not the Source, he was.

  To be honest with you, I would trust a person who practices Yoga, classified as occult by many, more than I trust most people who claim to be Christian.

  God says we are fools and cursed if we put trust in ANY men, that includes ourselves, since we are men.

  "Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm"
  

  Did he not say, let them become one as we are one?

  Yes. Unification with God comes when we abandon our self to him, through Christ and to Christ.

  - "For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it."

  This is the kind of trust or faith that produces oneness with God. It is also the path to the power source.

  As far as the Bible goes, who put those 66 books together? The Roman Catholic Church. ....Can you imagine what must have happened in the first century?

  We have a very good record of Pre-Catholic 1st, 2nd & 3rd century writings of Christians.

  Highly recommend :

  Ancient Church Fathers: What the Disciples of the Apostles Taught by Ken Johnson
  

  
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  The Ancient Church Fathers reveals the disciples of the twelve apostles, and what they taught, from their own writings. It documents that the same doctrine was faithfully transmitted to their descendants in the first few centuries. It also describes where, when, and by whom, the doctrines began to change. The ancient church fathers make it very easy to know for sure what the complete teachings of Jesus and the twelve apostles were. You will learn, from their own writings, what the first century disciples taught about the various doctrines that divide our church today. You will learn what was discussed at the Seven General Councils and why. You will learn about the cults and cult leaders who began to change doctrine and spread their heresy. And you will learn how those heresies became the standard teaching in the medieval church.

  All but a handful of verses in the New Testament are quoted in the writings of the disciples of the apostles, establishing the continuity of what the apostles taught.

  The law of Karma taught by Yoga makes more logical since to me then the book of law that says as you quoted, ""if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."

  
  

  The dispensation of Law ended in the utter failure of Man to be good (enough), there was a judgment at that time and a new beginning....just like the prior dispensations. Doing good more and more is important, it is just not good enough for oneness with God and for salvation from sin and death. God didn't do away with our works in the age of Grace, he just cast off the source of that goodness and posited it with himself. This is offensive to our pride, but was demonstrably necessary.
  
  

  For that to be true, the word "confess" must mean more than simply giving lip service to Jesus. You must act like Jesus and Jesus was all about NOT judging others, he was all about unconditional love. He even prayed for and forgave those who killed him.

  And no one can do that without trusting in Jesus, and abandoning themselves to him ALONE....that is the key. Real Christian faith allows for trusting others, just not trusting in them. It also calls for going to a gathering of believers, but not trusting in that particular association.

  We didn't do that with the WT. We put trust in them, and true to Gods word that I quoted earlier, we were cursed in many ways because of it.

  Time for a new direction.

  Peace, Favor & Blessing to you.
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  If Jehovah hates magic, why is it ok to go to Magic theme parks such as Disneyland the Magic Kingdom and not be disfellowshipped for it?

  by Greybeard in

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  if jehovah hates magic, why is it ok to go to magic theme parks such as disney land the magic kingdom?

  i grew up a jw and we all went to disney land and magic mountain.

  if jehovah hates magic then why are these places not forbidden?

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  Perry

  By anyones standards today, Jesus would be considered a healer, magician, wizard, sorcerer and psychic....... Maybe Jehovah hates magic because he wants to be the only one who can do it. Didn't Jesus free them from those old laws of Jehovah?

  If Jesus was God incarnate like he presented himself to be, and as the apostles believed him to be, ie.

  1. the angels should worship him

  2. He created the heavens and the earth

  3. Hebrews Ch. 1 & Rev. Ch. 1

  4. He had the authority to forgive sins committed against God, something only God can do

  Then, the source of his power was not the occult but from THE SOURCE of all energy, knowledge, wisdom. God rightly asks to acknowledge Him as the only legitimate source of power, and as the one that will teach us to wield this power with responsibility consistent with the fruit of the Holy Spirit.

  Your comments on the power of words is interesting. I have given a lot of thought to this in recent years. I have come to the conclusion that There is great power in words, not in an occult kind of way, although it could be. And,not necessarily just from a born again child of God.

  God spoke the worlds into existence. We are created in his image. Could he have left a vestige of this spoken creativity in the human design? I sense that our words have some effect on possible realities that are coming our way as we pass through space/time ether.

  "if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."
  
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  Evidence for a Young Earth

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  You have a long way to go to prove there is Dino tissue in fossils.

  
  

  No, I do not:

  
  

  As listed by Dr. Walt Brown…
  - allegedly 17 million year old magnolia leaf contains DNA (Scientific American 1993)
  - allegedly 18 million year old salamander muscle and vessels filled with blood (Proc. Roy. Soc. 2009)
  - allegedly 40 million year old bee fossil contains LIVING bacteria (Science 1995)
  - allegedly 120 million year old insect fossil contains DNA (Nature 1993)
  - allegedly 200 million year old fish fossil contains DNA (Science. News 1992)
  - allegedly 400 million year old fish amino acids (Journal of Applied Genetics 2003).
  - allegedly 600 million year old rock contains LIVING bacillus (Nature 2000).

  
  

  Here you will find a comprehensive list of scientific articles representing 20 years of dinosaur soft tissue documentation.

  It is a fact. Just take a deep breath and deal with it.
  
  
  
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  Evidence for a Young Earth

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  Meanwhile, in the religious community of evolution deniers, this [dinosaur soft tissue] is passed off as proven science, because it confirms what they want to believe.

  And a few in the atheist community of God deniers (not many now) still ignore 20 years of dinosaur soft tissue documented in science literature. because it is inconsistent with what they choose to believe.

  Other Soft Tissue documented:

  As listed by Dr. Walt Brown…
  - allegedly 17 million year old magnolia leaf contains DNA (Scientific American 1993)
  - allegedly 18 million year old salamander muscle and vessels filled with blood (Proc. Roy. Soc. 2009)
  - allegedly 40 million year old bee fossil contains LIVING bacteria (Science 1995)
  - allegedly 120 million year old insect fossil contains DNA (Nature 1993)
  - allegedly 200 million year old fish fossil contains DNA (Science. News 1992)
  - allegedly 400 million year old fish amino acids (Journal of Applied Genetics 2003).
  - allegedly 600 million year old rock contains LIVING bacillus (Nature 2000).

  
  

  Also confirmed is:

  
  

  intricate soft tissue structures in fossils, including the actual preserved brain of a 300 million-year-old fish from North America and actual muscle bundles attached to 380 million-year-old placoderm fishes from Australia. - Science Alert

  
  

  It makes little difference whether it is 65 or 380 "millions of years" old, soft tissue is everywhere these days it seems.

  
  

  Carbon dating puts these soft tissues at a few thousand years old, not millions:

  
  

  Carbon-14 in dinosaur bones (download details)

  Dinosaur (a)	Lab/Method/Fraction (b,c,d)	C-14 Years B.P.	Date	USA State
  Acro Acro Acro Acro Acro Allosaurus Hadrosaur #1 Hadrosaur #1 Triceratops #1 Triceratops #1 Triceratops #1 Triceratops #2 Triceratops #2 Hadrosaur #2 Hadrosaur #2 Hadrosaur #2 Hadrosaur #2 Hadrosaur #2 Hadrosaur #3 Apatosaur	GX-15155-A/Beta/bio GX-15155-A/AMS/bio AA-5786/AMS/bio-scrapings UGAMS-7509a/AMS/bio UGAMS-7509b/AMS/bow UGAMS-02947/AMS/bio KIA-5523/AMS/bow KIA-5523/AMS/hum GX-32372/AMS/col GX-32647/Beta/bow UGAMS-04973a/AMS/bio UGAMS-03228a/AMS/bio UGAMS-03228b/AMS/col GX-32739/Beta/ext GX-32678/AMS/w UGAMS-01935/AMS/bio UGAMS-01936/AMS/w UGAMS-01937/AMS/col UGAMS-9893/AMS/bio UGAMS-9891/AMS/bio	>32,400 25,750 + 280 23,760 + 270 29,690 + 90 30,640 + 90 31,360 + 100 31,050 + 230/-220 36,480 + 560/-530 30,890 + 200 33,830 + 2910/-1960 24,340 + 70 39,230 + 140 30,110 + 80 22,380 + 800 22,990 +130 25,670 + 220 25,170 + 230 23,170 + 170 37,660 + 160 38,250 + 160	11/10/1989 06/14/1990 10/23/1990 10/27/2010 10/27/2010 05/01/2008 10/01/1998 10/01/1998 08/25/2006 09/12/2006 10/29/2009 08/27/2008 08/27/2008 01/06/2007 04/04/2007 04/10/2007 04/10/2007 04/10/2007 11/29/2011 11/29/2011	TX TX TX TX TX CO AK AK MT MT MT MT MT MT MT MT MT MT CO CO

  
  

  
  

  Information like this is OFTEN suppressed. In doing so, they many times become a "hostile witness" for the authenticity for the very information they would like to suppress:

  

  Notice how he didn't say the previous results were false.
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  You are not even taking the time to read my posts before you respond!

  
  

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  All Hell Creek Dinosaur bones smell like rotting corpses. That is what the scientists went on record as saying in Discover Magazine. Deal with it.

  
  

  Here is a bat that became part of a cave formation before it could decompose. Apparently he didn't know about the "millions of years" theory.

  
  

  Here's a lemonade bottle left in a cave in 1954. It certainly didn't take "millions of years" to get covered in minerals. No "just so" explanation for this.
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  All Hell Creek Dinosaur bones smell like rotting corpses. That is what the scientists went on record as saying in Discover Magazine. Deal with it.

  
  

  Here is a bat that became part of a cave formation before it could decompose. Apparently he didn't know about the "millions of years" theory.

  
  

  Here's a lemonade bottle left in a cave in 1954. It certainly didn't take "millions of years" to get covered in minerals. No "just so" explanation for this.
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  They have also detected Dinosaur DNA in pourous limestone from the Hell Creek area in Montana.
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  In the case of cement, all that carbonate is already all freed up, so the stalagtites can form much, much faster.

  
  

  But that is not the case at the monument. It is made of limesone quarried just six miles from a famous cave with identical formations.

  Also, there was no concrete in the farmers field pipe that made the big teepee mound in wyoming.

  
  
  
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  While you are at it, maybe you could proffer an explanation on why dinosaur bones are still decomposing after "millions of years".

  Once, when she was working with a T. rex skeleton harvested from Hell Creek, she noticed that the fossil exuded a distinctly organic odor. "It smelled just like one of the cadavers [dead bodies] we had in the lab who had been treated with chemotherapy before he died," she says. Given the conventional wisdom that such fossils were made up entirely of minerals, Schweitzer was anxious when mentioning this to Horner. "But he said, 'Oh, yeah, all Hell Creek bones smell,'" she says. To most old-line paleontologists, the smell of death didn't even register. - Discover Magazine

  
  

  How can fragile blood vessels and cells still be intact after "millions of years"?

  How can dinosaur DNA be detected when DNA has been proven to have a half life of only 521 years, meaning nothing could be detected after 100,000 yrs. at most?

  Whether it is 65 or 380 "million years"; how can pourous limestone reveal:

  intricate soft tissue structures in fossils, including the actual preserved brain of a 300 million-year-old fish from North America and actual muscle bundles attached to 380 million-year-old placoderm fishes from Australia. - Science Alert

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  Which Public Talks did you enjoy giving/hearing? And which ones did you dislike giving or hearing?

  by humblepotato in

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  i was just going through some of my talk outlines and i've decided to git rid of quite a few of them.

  i'm still serving, but as time goes on... there are many subjects i will not teach anymore.. i got rid of the outlines dealing with blood, the field ministry, and ones talking about 607 and 1914. i can barely stand hearing them let alone give them.

  in fact, talk 41 "stand still and see the salvation of jehovah" is one i got rid of because its whole point was about having blind obedience toward the gb and the elders during the great tribulation, and that we need to start practicing obedience now if we want to survive.

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  I liked talks that featured Jesus prominently.... still do. He was the most fascinating person in history. The whole world counts time by his birth. He came back from the dead and showed himself to hundreds. It is one of the most well attested events in antiquity.

  I remember how excited my mother got when the Listening to the Great Teacher book came out. She said something to the effect that "finally we have a book about Jesus". She also said something about how that should stop the critics that say that JW's don't believe in Jesus.

  Of course, JW's believe in Jesus existence, they just don't believe that Jesus was talking to them when it comes to salvation.