Posts by FreeTheMasons

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What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?

by Touchofgrey in

is there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.

the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.

i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.

FreeTheMasons

@peacefulpete -

Perhaps you have read this verse before:

"A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent his angel and presented it in signs..."

What exactly are these "signs"? They are word pictures.

In a court of law, how is evidence presented? Most evidence is presented in words.

Words are a form of "signs." Language itself is not "tangible" in the same way that physical items you can touch are tangible. You can measure sound and speed and inflection, but the way language works is by symbolizing something else.

I can tell you you're about to be run over by a bus, but if you don't want to heed the warning, it doesn't matter how much I tell you about the evidence I've seen. If you want to stand in the road, you're going to stand in the road.

https://youtu.be/Je3bCJ_GBRI?si=vQRBtA0TAlSJX61X

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how do you feel about the use of the name Jehovah now?

by enoughisenough in

for those who still believe in god and the bible, how do you feel/think about the name jehovah now?

i am one who never wanted to bring reproach on god's name.

i will admit using the word jehovah now makes me feel rather icky...like i am promoting a lie of sorts.

FreeTheMasons

@Smye said: My opinion is this: the name Jehovah is one of the hundreds of possible combinations for the Tetragrammaton. But even if it was the 'correct' one, Jesus opened up our view of God into what we now know as the Holy Trinity. Sticking to the Name so exclusively after Christ is basically heresy, as it implicitly (or explicitly in the case of JWs) denies the Trinitarian God by focusing solely on the Father. In any case, the Name was exclusively used (or not so much) by the Jews before Christ. It was never used by Christ or the apostles, despite what the JWs claim. Lastly, the obsession of JWs with using it in every second sentence, even if we leave aside the Trinity, is a gross violation of the Third Commandment.

You are slandering Jesus.

Jesus said "Let your name be sanctified." "I have made your name known and will make it known."

The Revelation to John was through Jesus and used the name of Jehovah throughout. Even though enemies of God sought to erase His name from the manuscripts those enemies were too stupid to erase it from the "Hallelujah" portions of that book.

Enemies of God are stupid. You can't fight against Jehovah and win. It's not possible. It's actually really ridiculous to watch, and that's why it says at Psalm 2 that Jehovah laughs at them.

Jesus' name means "Jehovah is Salvation." Jesus wants us to worship Jehovah.

I wouldn't want to be in the shoes of someone who is making false statements about Jesus or Jehovah. Not cool. Not wise.

Just sayin'.

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how do you feel about the use of the name Jehovah now?

by enoughisenough in

for those who still believe in god and the bible, how do you feel/think about the name jehovah now?

i am one who never wanted to bring reproach on god's name.

i will admit using the word jehovah now makes me feel rather icky...like i am promoting a lie of sorts.

FreeTheMasons

It only makes sense that there wasn't an English version of Jehovah's name until recent centuries, since there wasn't an English language until recent centuries. 🙂

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Where is Tony?

by Athanasius in

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on february 22, 2023, anthony morris iii was officially removed from the governing body of jehovah's witnesses.

a few months later it was revealed that the watchtower bought him a house in lumberton, north carolina.. however, and correct me if i am wrong, since leaving the gb nobody has reported seeing tony attending jw meetings or participating in field service.

in fact nobody has reported seeing him anywhere, not even at a local liquor store.

FreeTheMasons

@iloowy.goowy said: Well, FTM when you start flinging Sh*t pile emojis around it can be taken for hostile and angry statements.
But as to the WT falling fast, my opinion is that you're sadly mistaken. The "tens of billions" in the Ireland assets management scheme will keep them going for a lot longer than we have years to live, most likely.
Much wishful thinking and conspiracy mongering will not bring the WT down any time soon.

Have you ever been on a farm or a homestead? 💩💩💩 piles are a way of life. Just because there's 💩💩💩 around doesn't mean there is anger.

We are made of dust. If you eat, then you also 💩💩💩.

Stop whining. It's not becoming, and it just makes you look like you're hiding something too.

Jehovah is exposing the WT. Their pyramid is built on 💩💩💩 and it will fall.

If you're complaining about Jehovah's plagues now, then you really won't like what's coming next. I suggest you cut your ties with that WT organization and get the heck out of Dodge.

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What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?

by Touchofgrey in

is there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.

the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.

i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.

FreeTheMasons

@joeyjojo said: There seems to be a point where a seemingly rational person becomes irrational when it comes to faith.
If you are broadly the same religion as your parents, or identify as a member of your national religion, it means you accepted what you were told by parents and peers.
Believing a man named Jesus, Mohammed, or whoever once existed is one thing, but basing your way of life on it and insisting your children do the same is madness if you boil it down. Just because something is old doesn't make it right.
All of our parents made mistakes, they were not perfect and all-knowing. So why are they automatically right about the subject of religion?

You make sweeping assertions that are incorrect and then you attempt to build on them. That type of building work does not stand.

In my personal experience, I was not raised reading the Bible. I read Anne Rice. I had extra schooling in ancient Egyptian religious teachings from a young age. I learned about Canopic jars and The Book of the Dead way before I learned the first book of the Bible was Genesis. (I didn't know the first book of the Bible was Genesis until I was 24 years old. To me, Genesis was a band with Phil Collins.)

As a youth, I lived for a time in the Salem Massachusetts area and learned a lot about witchcraft. We watched a lot of spiritistic and violent entertainment growing up. That was what I learned about, not the Bible.

Mythology, fantasy, immorality and violence were what I learned about growing up.

It wasn't until later in life that I really learned about Jehovah and Jesus and the Bible. My mom had been around the Watchtower when I was very young, but we didn't go all the time, and then she was disfellowshipped when I was about seven or so years old.

Anyway, my point in sharing that is that your logic doesn't pan out. Ancient Egyptian mystery rites are old, and as you said, just because it's old doesn't make it right.

But at the same time, the earth is old and it is real. The sun is old and it is real. Jesus is old and he is real. Jehovah is outside of time and He is more Real than anything on this earth or in this universe.

Not all of our parents made mistakes. Jesus has never made a mistake, and he came to stand in Adam's place as our first father. If we are wise, we will look to him for truth. He's never lied to anyone.

Have you?

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What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?

by Touchofgrey in

is there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.

the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.

i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.

FreeTheMasons

@Vidqun said: If you reject the scriptures it will be to your detriment.

@Touchofgrey said: Why do you have to resort to threatening speak to make your point.

Vidqun's words weren't a threat. He was just stating the obvious.

If a person feels threatened by truth, it's because that "threatened" person's conscience is bothering them. It has nothing to do with the person who stated the truth, although the typical response from a person who is in denial is to blame the messenger.

If you feel "the point" maybe you should move out of the way of the sword.

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Where is Tony?

by Athanasius in

jw
friends

on february 22, 2023, anthony morris iii was officially removed from the governing body of jehovah's witnesses.

a few months later it was revealed that the watchtower bought him a house in lumberton, north carolina.. however, and correct me if i am wrong, since leaving the gb nobody has reported seeing tony attending jw meetings or participating in field service.

in fact nobody has reported seeing him anywhere, not even at a local liquor store.

FreeTheMasons

@silentbuddha said: Wow, the anger in this thread is something serious LOL. Mason I assure you I saw the man. I also saw the company that he was waiting to come inside his home from his driveway. I have no reason to make this up. Trust me, it would probably be more interesting to believe that he was whisked away to Narnia to never be seen again

Nobody here is angry that I've seen. There are some sincere people here but there are also a bunch of paranoid Watchtower two-faced fakers who are trying to cover for their falling tower.

Better take cover. WT's falling fast.

"Get out of her, my people!"

https://youtu.be/_7PUPNxsRQ0?si=lricHyqUjkCY6CLK

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how do you feel about the use of the name Jehovah now?

by enoughisenough in

for those who still believe in god and the bible, how do you feel/think about the name jehovah now?

i am one who never wanted to bring reproach on god's name.

i will admit using the word jehovah now makes me feel rather icky...like i am promoting a lie of sorts.

FreeTheMasons

@peacefulpete, your assessment of me is incorrect.

I saw Jehovah answer my prayers in a "fox-hole" moment prior to even studying with JWs.

I've seen Him do stuff for me since leaving WT.

Jehovah's been there for me through everything. It's just like is says in Isaiah...

"You are my witnesses,” declares Jehovah, “Yes, my servant whom I have chosen, So that you may know and have faith in me And understand that I am the same One. Before me no God was formed, And after me there has been none. I—I am Jehovah, and besides me there is no savior.”

“I am the One who declared and saved and made known When there was no foreign god among you. So you are my witnesses,” declares Jehovah, “and I am God. Also, I am always the same One; And no one can snatch anything out of my hand. When I act, who can prevent it?"

Charles Taze Russell "called on the name of Jehovah" in the same blasphemous way as apostates did back in the days of Enoch. But the evil deeds of those apostates throughout history and to our day doesn't change the truth of who Jehovah is.

I love Jehovah's name because I love Jehovah.

The Watchtower is here today gone tomorrow, but Jehovah is forever.

I will love Him forever. My love for Him is not based on some temporary lying organization that falsely claims to represent Him.

Jehovah is the real deal. "He Causes To Become." I know Him. He answers when I call. He's Our Father, and He's not limited by whether or not someone pronounces His name slightly different if they're Chinese or Indian or Greek or Hebrew or English or whatever...

"He Can Make It Happen, Whatever He Wants To Happen."

Another way of saying it, "He's The Man."

Anyway, I've seen Him save me from impossible situations when no one else was there to help me. He's done it again and again and again. There is no denying Him. I know Him by name. He's going to fix everything. I know not everybody sees Him yet. But they will. It's just a matter of time. Everyone will, just like in Egypt.

https://youtu.be/5B-dfMnZ0Ug?si=3f3a9MNXaN8XkKyW

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Where is Tony?

by Athanasius in

jw
friends

on february 22, 2023, anthony morris iii was officially removed from the governing body of jehovah's witnesses.

a few months later it was revealed that the watchtower bought him a house in lumberton, north carolina.. however, and correct me if i am wrong, since leaving the gb nobody has reported seeing tony attending jw meetings or participating in field service.

in fact nobody has reported seeing him anywhere, not even at a local liquor store.

FreeTheMasons

@ThomasMore said: Free TheMasons - I brought up the Homestead exemption because it is a common provision for homeowners in all the counties of NC. It is almost never itemized in the tax bill however. The amount of tax for a house with that value is very low - lower than other homes in the area that are rented (rental homes do not qualify for homestead exemption).
WTC is smart enough to know that falsely claiming Homestead Exemption when the owner is not living on the premises, results in a steep fine.
Along with the photo of his car and the report by one of the posters who saw him in the driveway indicates that he does indeed live at that address. This seems hard for you to believe for some reason - I don't know why. He has to reside somewhere.

You're full of 💩💩💩.

You're the one who brought up "he lives there, he lives there" kind of language after outright lying about the homestead exemption. Seems to me you're trying to hide something, you slipped up, and now you're backtracking and pointing the finger at me for something you accidentally revealed.

😝

@ThomasMore said: The tax bill amount indicates that someone is getting homestead exemption. To get that, the residence has to be the primary residence of the person listed on the tax bill.

You are full of 💩💩💩.

Homestead exemption isn't listed on there at all. And the math is clear. Anyone who owns a home and does their own taxes knows how to read a property tax bill.

Do you live at Bethel? If you do, it's no wonder you haven't had to deal with your own property tax bill.

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how do you feel about the use of the name Jehovah now?

by enoughisenough in

for those who still believe in god and the bible, how do you feel/think about the name jehovah now?

i am one who never wanted to bring reproach on god's name.

i will admit using the word jehovah now makes me feel rather icky...like i am promoting a lie of sorts.

FreeTheMasons

The "JW" hierarchy is masonic, just like the other religious hierarchies that publicly claim to teach one thing supposedly based "on the Bible" but then they weave in poisonous doctrines. The Catholic church is a lot like the WT in that way of publicly claiming to be not masonic but then being one of the chief proponents/supports of The Craft.

Many of the so-called "apostolic fathers" were also into mystery religions and/or were influenced by the pharisaical kabbalistic philosophies practiced by unfaithful Jews of earlier centuries. Faithful Jews became Christians.

When Watchtower or other so-called "Christian" groups rely on the teachings of apostate Jews or apostate Christians, the result is a poison pie.

The Bible teaches that God's name means "He Causes to Become." Jesus pronounced God's name in various languages and told us to use God's name. The Bible shows it's okay to pronounce God's name in whatever language we speak. The first century Christians were given holy spirit in a special way to preach in different languages, and they would have used God's name Jehovah in whatever version of speech God made them speak in.

Jesus taught that there would not be some hierarchy organization. All of the churches of Christendom (whether small hierarchies or big ones) are apostate. "For one is your leader, the Christ, whereas you are all brothers."

The direction to the "seven congregations" at the beginning of Revelation is for all those today calling themselves "Christian." We all need to be "refined" and "cleansed" just as foretold in the last chapters of Daniel.

Many words in the Bible that have been translated into English have a different meaning in the original text. Sometimes the translators altered the meaning when they didn't take into consideration the context. The word "angel" can also mean "messenger" or sometimes it means "spirit creature." The context must be considered.

Jesus was the leader of the army of Jehovah who spoke with Joshua back in ancient Israel. He is also Shiloh, and Immanuel, and Michael. He is the spirit creature that was there disputing with the Devil over Moses' body. Jesus rebuked the Devil, and Jesus also said that Jehovah would rebuke the Devil. (A rebuke is showing strong disapproval. We can all rebuke someone. It's not something only Jesus can do.)

The Watchtower 1914 teaching is an obviously false teaching. There is no secondary fulfillment of Daniel chapter 4, and if there had been Jesus would have figured it out in the first century. Charles Taze Russell wove pyramid-sun-worship into the Watchtower doctrines in order to blaspheme Jehovah and to confuse people and corrupt their worship.

Jehovah walked with Adam and Eve in the garden. The One who made a body can make Himself a body to visit here in. He's God. In the future, He will again come back to earth to hang out with His kids.

When Moses asked to see Jehovah's glory, he was already talking to Jehovah face-to-face in a materialized body. Moses was asking to see God in His full heavenly way, but God said no flesh-and-blood human can see God in that way and survive the experience, which is why the 144,000 have to be changed first in order to carry out their assignment.

Sex is a really cool thing. It's so cool that the wicked angels were willing to leave their assignment to try it out. What they did was disgusting and wrong, but now they're trying to get some humans to be discontent with their inheritance here on earth and covet life in heaven. The false doctrines spread by the Catholic church and much of Christendom regarding the "everybody goes to heaven" thing is designed to spit in Jehovah's face as regards the wonderful life here on earth He has in mind for his human children.

God is fair. He gives special blessings to everyone. The 144,000 have to sacrifice some cool stuff to do their assignment. But they don't have to sacrifice their relationship with their human friends and family, it just changes a little. Jesus materialized a body after being resurrected as a mighty spirit creature. The 144,000 will do the same. Jesus and the 144,000 will materialize and hang out during the 1000 year reign and forever. The faithful angels of old in some of their assignments materialized too. We are a universal family, and God is not partial. He is healing the family and bringing us all together.

That's why it is said that New Jerusalem comes out of heaven, and the name of the city will be "Jehovah Himself Is There."