3) 1 timothy 2:5 - for there is one god, and one mediator between god and men, a man, christ jesus.... wtbts: this is another example of not enough information being supplied by the apostle paul.
he should have written, "for there is..one mediator between god and only 144,000 men...".
the org's type/antitype of the exodus foreigners & the other sheep not being in the 2 covenants and not having jesus as their mediator is totally debunked by deuteronomy 29:10-15 & ezekiel 47:21-23. .
3) 1 Timothy 2:5 - For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus...
WTBTS: This is another example of not enough information being supplied by the apostle Paul. He should have written, "For there is..one mediator between God and only 144,000 men..."
The org's type/antitype of the Exodus foreigners & the other sheep not being in the 2 Covenants and not having Jesus as their mediator is totally debunked by Deuteronomy 29:10-15 & Ezekiel 47:21-23.
both went from jw land to the southern baptist convention.. yes, we're all tribal, do some just say, 'to hell with it, i'll just roll the dice?'.
southern baptists have some real problems on how they've handled child sex abuse cases.. .
paul blizard's ex jehovah's witness testimony: a 3rd generation jw, a pioneer, & a former bethelite.
"Frying pan" & "fire" immediately come to mind.
2) (revelation 20:5) (the rest of the dead did not come to life until the 1,000 years were ended.
) this is the first resurrection.. wtbts: the term "come to life" is actually figurative and does not mean the literal resurrection of the dead.. there are 2 destinations for all those who are resurrected - some go to heaven, but most stay on earth.
also, both resurrections will occur at approximately the same time - at the commencement of the millenium.. revelation 20:5 states that the 2nd resurrection doesn't occur until after the 1000 years have ended, thereby rendering it a later resurrection.
2) (Revelation 20:5) (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the 1,000 years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.
WTBTS: The term "come to life" is actually figurative and does not mean the literal resurrection of the dead.
There are 2 destinations for all those who are resurrected - some go to heaven, but most stay on earth. Also, both resurrections will occur at approximately the same time - at the commencement of the millenium.
Revelation 20:5 states that the 2nd resurrection doesn't occur until after the 1000 years have ended, thereby rendering it a later resurrection.
The apostle Paul hoped that he would be raised in the earlier & better resurrection, the one which all the pre-Christian faithful ones in Hebrews 11 believed they would be given. Clearly, two separate resurrections for all those with an "earthly" hope, and occuring many years apart.
(Philippians 3:10, 11) ...to see if at all possible I may attain to the earlier resurrection from the dead.
(Hebrews 11:35) ....in order that they might attain a better resurrection.
Such ones - along with everyone who ever put faith in the Messiah - will share in the 1st resurrection, as Paul stated:
(1
Thessalonians 4:16) "...because the Lord himself will descend from
heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with
God’s trumpet, and
those who are dead in union with
Christ will rise first."
Those
not "in union with Christ" will be in the
later resurrection - 1000 years later, and will almost certainly be the majority of those mentioned at
Revelation 20:7-9.
If there is no
resurrection at the end of the 1000 years and all bad people are
being routinely destroyed during the millenium - as per
Isaiah 65:20-22 - then where do the multitudes of wicked
people in Revelation 20:7-9 come from if everyone has
finally "grown to perfection?"
1) (john 5:29) ...those who did good things to a resurrection of life, and those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment.
wtbts: the past tense used in the wording of john 5:28 is not what it seems to be, and should be read in the future tense, "will do" and "will practice.".
g 1/10 p. 11 - will the judgment of resurrected ones be based on what they did before their death?
....according to "the slave."
1) (John 5:29) ...those who did good things to a resurrection of life, and those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment.
WTBTS: The past tense used in the wording of John 5:28 is not what it seems to be, and should be read in the future tense, "will do" and "will practice."
g
1/10 p. 11 - Will the judgment of resurrected ones be based on
what they did before their death? No. The Bible
teaches that “he who has died has been acquitted from his sin.”
(Romans 6:7) So, like those who survive the end of this
system, those resurrected to life on earth will be judged “according
to their deeds” during Judgment Day. [the
millenium]
rs p. 338 par. 1 - Both those who formerly did good things and those who formerly practiced bad things will be “judged individually according to their deeds.” What deeds? If we were to take the view that people were going to be condemned on the basis of deeds in their past life, that would be inconsistent with Romans 6:7.
(their false teaching of Romans 6:7 is used to bolster other false teachings)
(acts 20:33, 34) we have desired every man’s silver or gold or clothing.
you yourselves know that these hands have never provided for our own needs and the needs of those with us.
" .
(Acts 20:33, 34) We have desired every man’s silver or gold or clothing. You yourselves know that these hands have never provided for our own needs and the needs of those with us."
(genesis 3:15) and i will put enmity between you and the woman and between your offspring and her offspring.
(revelation 12:1) then a great sign was seen in heaven: a woman was arrayed with the sun, and the moon was beneath her feet, and on her head was a crown of 12 stars,.
re chap.
@ Rattigan350 - "Once it (144,000???) is resurrected to heaven."
Are you agreeing with the org's lies that Jesus wasn't a "corresponding ransom" (1 Tim. 2:6) and that he didn't save exactly what was lost by Adam, (Luke 19:10) but rather, his perfect life bought back far more than what Adam lost - i.e. eternal life on earth for the majority, plus 144,000 Melchizedeks promoted to heaven?
None of Adam's prospective descendents lost out on a heavenly hope - not one!!!!!
How could that balance the "scales of justice?"
(genesis 3:15) and i will put enmity between you and the woman and between your offspring and her offspring.
(revelation 12:1) then a great sign was seen in heaven: a woman was arrayed with the sun, and the moon was beneath her feet, and on her head was a crown of 12 stars,.
re chap.
(Genesis 3:15) And I will put enmity between you and the woman and between your offspring and her offspring.
(Revelation 12:1) Then a great sign was seen in heaven: A woman was arrayed with the sun, and the moon was beneath her feet, and on her head was a crown of 12 stars,
re
chap. 27 p. 180 par. 13 - At the same time, the woman (God's
heavenly organization!) flees to a place
that God has prepared for her in the wilderness.
(Revelation
12:6) And the woman fled into the
wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God and where they
would feed her for 1,260 days.
Why would God's heavenly organization (the woman) be so afraid of Satan, and flee?
Sorry G.B., we need a "new light on this one!
Here's a clue: the nation of Israel, followed by the "Israel of God."
Hosea 2:2 - "Accuse your mother; [Israel] accuse her, For she is not my wife [woman] and I am not her husband. She should remove her prostitution from herself."
........and parachutes!
rattigan350, whenever someone brings up the failings of the organisation we refer to as "the watchtower", tries to define the argument away by saying that the watchtower is a corporate entity and has very little to do with the kingdom halls, the christian congregation of jehovah's witnesses.. could someone who knows their stuff please explain if this is a false dichotomy, using the literature which is used by r&f jws, if possible?.
it gets kind of tiresome when someone makes a point about something that the watchtower said and mr. apologist comes along and tries to define away what is usually a very good point..
If the WTBTS and the CCoJW are separate entities - independent of each other - and the WT has no authority over the G.B., (as Gerrit Losch asserted to a court in the U.S.) then why does the G.B. of the CCoJW orchestrate and conduct the Annual Meeting of the WTBTS?
Why don't the board members of the WTBTS Inc. run the annual self-praise fest???????
w02 3/1 p. 17 par.
16 - "consider how many....speculate recklessly in the stock market, dreaming of making a fortune.
w99 10/1 p. 12 par.
.......do as we SAY!
w02 3/1 p. 17 par. 16 - "Consider how many....speculate recklessly in the stock market, dreaming of making a fortune."
w99 10/1 p. 12 par. 12 - "Any speculation as to when the “great tribulation” might begin is of no value."
