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  Predictions for the next decade?

  by jehovaxx in

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  as it’s nearly the new year my prediction over the next decade or so will see the sense of urgency dwindle.

  then some huge huge changes.

  for example by 2034 in a decades time, they will have address the 1914 issue and will come out and say we can’t be dogmatic.

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  Maybe the org will come clean and admit the truth - that the "last days" haven't even started yet!
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  JW's face certain death NOW.....

  by BoogerMan in

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  ...if they openly question/disagree with a current truth from the evil faithful slave - "truths" such as this one: .

  w83 10/1 p. 19 - "...a large number of the 1914 generation are still living today.

  of course, their numbers are steadily dwindling, and, therefore, sometime in the near future, we confidently can expect “the end” to come...".

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  ...if they openly question/disagree with a current truth from the evil faithful slave - "truths" such as this one:
  

  w83 10/1 p. 19 - "...a large number of the 1914 generation are still living today. Of course, their numbers are steadily dwindling, and, therefore, sometime in the near future, we confidently can expect “the end” to come..."

  According to "God's organisation," 40 years is in the near future! How does that appeal to you, active JW's?

  (Deuteronomy 18:22) When the prophet WTBTS speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word is not fulfilled or does not come true, then Jehovah did not speak that word. The prophet WTBTS spoke it presumptuously. You should not fear him the WTBTS.’
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  How Saturnalia became Christmas

  by BoogerMan in

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  2. friends

  the transition from ancient to present and pagan to christian: .

  4th century ce, after which a new winter holiday began to be celebrated in rome: christmas.

  but how was the pagan festival of saturnalia celebrated, and how did it influence and morph into the christmas celebrations that we know and love?.

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  @ iloowy.goowy - "The bit about Christmas being a re-worked Saturnalia (or Sol Invictus) by the Catholic Church is quite bogus" - according to a source you quote, but not according to many others.

  The fact remains that the birth of Christ became a huge money-making opportunity, designed & decorated with embellishments & explanations not based on scriptures - to make it attractive to all and sundry, regardless of belief.

  Example: The "star" which led the Magi had a pretty poor sat-nav installed.

  It took them to the wrong destination - Jerusalem instead of Bethlehem, (9.5 kilometers away) and straight to a king who wanted to kill Jesus! What was God thinking when He did that??? Unbelievable!

  Then again, countless millions of "stars" = countless mi££ion$ in sales of decorations.
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  It’s started 🤦‍♀️

  by MissDaSilva in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i already have a friend who is trying to tell me that my mental health is causing my disillusionment with the jehovah’s witnesses.

  funny that a mental health therapist has told me my mental health issues are caused by being a jehovah’s witness.

  i’m still not going back.

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  If you're ever contacted by any JW's (but especially elders) who try to get you to blab, put up a brick wall which they cannot overcome. Use the "elders conversation stoppers" in the link below, and keep yourself safe & calm.

  https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/181hur6/how_to_fade_safely/
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  "Vaccines are filthy pus" - said the "faithful slave"

  by BoogerMan in

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  2. beliefs

  "death after vaccination: rhhe dayton, ohio herald, contains a picture of a beautiful little girl and the following pathetic account of what happened as a result of filling this little one’s veins with filthy pus, in place of the pure blood which god made to circulate there.

  " .

  from golden age, march 24, 1926. https://jws-library.one/?file=data/1926/g_e_19260324/g_e_19260324.html#bookmark22.

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  "Death after Vaccination: RHHE Dayton, Ohio Herald, contains a picture of a beautiful little girl and the following pathetic account of what happened as a result of filling this little one’s veins with filthy pus, in place of the pure blood which God made to circulate there."

  From Golden Age, March 24, 1926

  https://jws-library.one/?file=data/1926/g_E_19260324/g_E_19260324.html#bookmark22
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  Anti-gravity in the new world!

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  from golden age, march 24, 1926. https://jws-library.one/?file=data/1926/g_e_19260324/g_e_19260324.html#bookmark22.

  "many have wondered how accidents would be avoided during christ’s kingdom, since we are told that nothing shall then hurt or destroy.

  most accidents are due to gravitation and its effects.

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  From Golden Age, March 24, 1926

  https://jws-library.one/?file=data/1926/g_E_19260324/g_E_19260324.html#bookmark22
  

  "MANY have wondered how accidents would be avoided during Christ’s kingdom, since we are told that nothing shall then hurt or destroy. Most accidents are due to gravitation and its effects. Falling from aeroplanes (including the negative gravity type—the heavier-than-air machines will then be obsolete), etc., may be avoided by an individual negative gravity device.

  Scientists tell us that there is enough atomic energy in a finger-nail to propel a battleship. The people of the future may carry a little of this energy around with them, and if they fall down an elevator shaft they can let themselves down easy. Then they can turn on a little more and go back up. The day may not be far distant when anybody can instantly reduce his weight at will, making it equal to that of the air about him, so that he can float like a feather if he prefers. No danger of falling down stairs then.

  Another source of accidents is collision. But if two autos with occupants each suddenly reduced their weight to only a few ounces above atmospheric pressure when approaching each other, they would bound apart like toy balloons and no one would be hurt."
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  How Saturnalia became Christmas

  by BoogerMan in

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  2. friends

  the transition from ancient to present and pagan to christian: .

  4th century ce, after which a new winter holiday began to be celebrated in rome: christmas.

  but how was the pagan festival of saturnalia celebrated, and how did it influence and morph into the christmas celebrations that we know and love?.

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  The transition from ancient to present and pagan to Christian:

  4th Century CE, after which a new winter holiday began to be celebrated in Rome: Christmas. But how was the pagan festival of Saturnalia celebrated, and how did it influence and morph into the Christmas celebrations that we know and love?

  Saturnalia was held in honour of the Roman god Saturn and was supposed to represent the revelries of the Golden Age of men: a mythical time where men and gods lived in harmony. Saturnalia itself was an adaptation of the Ancient Greek festival known as Kronia (named after the Greek equivalent of Saturn, Kronos), which was celebrated in midsummer rather than midwinter. It is thought to signify the end of the harvest season to honour Saturn, a god associated with agriculture. Saturnalia was generally considered a merry festival, with lots of feasting and exchanging of gifts. A lot of customs that we associate with Christmas can be traced back to ancient origins, but Saturnalia had its own customs and traditions too.

  Some of the key components to celebrating Saturnalia were the reversal of roles: dress codes were relaxed as Romans donned colourful dinner wear instead of a toga and slaves and masters ate together; perhaps the masters even served food to the slaves as Saturnalia practices varied over time. Gambling was also permitted and even encouraged for slaves and masters alike as the feasting and merriment got underway. There was the custom of giving gifts, particularly pottery or wax figures known as sigillaria, as well as other items such as tablets, dice, toys, candles and many more. Gifting verses, in a similar practice to writing Christmas cards, was also common, as documented by Martial and Catullus. Another practice that is attested is the crowning of a Saturnalicius princeps (‘Ruler of the Saturnalia’) who is seen as the master of the proceedings and his commands have to be obeyed by the guests at the feast. It is possible that this originated as a satiric response to the Roman emperors being known as princeps (‘ruler’ or ‘leader’) rather than rex (‘king’), as this tradition was only attested in the Imperial period of Roman history.

  Saturnalia was overall a jolly time of year for Ancient Romans, and celebrations were enjoyed by all. The phrase ‘Io Saturnalia’ is akin to ‘Merry Christmas’, and has a strongly emotive ritual connotation. The festival sets the precedence for Christmas celebrations, and it is undeniable that Saturnalia’s influence lingers on today. The history of the festival is interesting as the traditions shift to reflect the current status of Rome, and eventually, as Rome becomes Christian in the 3rd Century CE the customs begin to shift to reflect this.

  The traditions of the Saturnalia were always fluid. During Augustus’ reign, the festival was only two days long, yet Lucian, a later imperial poet, describes it as a seven-day event. Caligula tried to curtail it to five days, but the festivities persisted. The date also shifts; it is always in December, but the climax of the festival shifted from December 25th to the winter solstice and back again. The emperor Domitian tried to assert his authority by making it into a public banquet rather than the private feasting that generally marked the celebrations so that he could control the celebrations. Saturnalia was a festival that was constantly evolving, and this lends itself to a shift from pagan worship to Christian worship.

  Rome officially became Christian in 313 CE, but the transition from a pagan society to a Christian society was not an entirely smooth one. Customs, traditions and beliefs were amalgamated into the new Christian society. Rome was not a stranger to fusing different beliefs and traditions: examples such as the worship of Sulis Minerva at Bath (a combination of the Roman goddess Minerva and the local goddess Sulis) shows that beliefs were flexible within Roman society, and the transition of Saturnalia into Christmas furthers this idea.

  There is evidence that Saturnalia as a festival was celebrated for around a century after the conversion of Rome to Christianity. The religious aspects of the festival honouring Saturn appear to have been gradually lost, instead becoming a popular festival designed to bring happiness in the bleak winter season. The connection with mid-winter and the birth of Jesus Christ wasn’t made until the 2nd century CE, and the first known celebration of Christmas celebrating the birth of Christ is from 354 CE. Jesus’ actual date of birth is unknown, and scholars have estimated that he could have been born in June or perhaps around the spring equinox. Regardless, there is no evidence that the widely celebrated date of Christmas was his actual date of birth.

  The date of December 25th specifically likely comes from the Roman festival of dies natalis solis invicti (‘day of the birth of the unconquered sun’), a festival specifically celebrating the birth of the sun. This festival was more specifically religious than the general merriment of Saturnalia, and it is noted that Constantine, the first Christian emperor, was brought up in the cult of the Sun, so it is possible that the date of Christmas was designed to replace this festival specifically rather than the more ambiguous dates of Saturnalia.

  The Catholic Church does not like to associate itself with pagan influences; after all, Christians faced persecution from the polytheistic Roman society for many years. However, it is likely that Christmas traditions and customs do stem from the pagan festival of Saturnalia, even if it is circumstantial, as Christianity became the dominant religion in Rome and overtook the previous pagan traditions. Winter festivals are common around the world, and it makes sense that Saturnalia would have direct influences over the new festival of Christmas in the shifting landscape of the late Roman empire. Gift-giving, feasting and a hearty celebration in December could describe either Saturnalia or Christmas, but Christmas has evolved even further from its pagan roots and even its deeply Christian ties to become a time of joy around the world as families come together and celebrate the year that has passed. Saturnalia did not become Christmas in a linear way, but its influence lingers on.

  Written by Mansi Dhokia

  https://www.academuseducation.co.uk/post/how-saturnalia-became-christmas-the-transition-from-ancient-to-present
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  Christmas weather forecast

  by BoogerMan in

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  2. humour

  mrs.claus asked santa, "what's the weather forecast for christmas?".

  santa replied, "it looks like rain dear!

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  Mrs.Claus asked Santa, "What's the weather forecast for Christmas?"

  Santa replied, "It looks like rain dear!"
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  Did Christ PASS or FAIL the org? 😁

  by BoogerMan in

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  inspection year: 1918 result: failed inspection.

  inspection year: 1918 result: passed inspection.

  inspection year: 1918 result: passed inspection.

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  Inspection year: 1918 Result: Failed Inspection	Watchtower May 15, 1951 page 303
  Inspection year: 1918 Result: Passed Inspection	Watchtower November 1,1955 page 663
  Inspection year: 1918 Result: Passed Inspection	Watchtower January 15, 1960 page 47
  Inspection year: 1918 Result: Failed Inspection	Watchtower February 1, 1972 page 79
  Inspection year: 1919 Result: Failed Inspection	Gods K’dom of 1000 Years (1973) p. 231
  Inspection year: 1918 Result: Failed Inspection	Yearbook 1975 page 87
  Inspection year: 1919 Result: Passed Inspection	Watchtower Sept 15, 1983 page 20
  Inspection year: 1918 Result: Failed Inspection	“Prince of Peace” (1986) page 40 para 8
  Inspection year: 1918 Result: Passed Inspection	Watchtower March 15, 1990 page 14
  Inspection year: 1918 Result: Passed Inspection	Watchtower May 1, 1993 page 17
  Inspection year: 1918 Result: Failed Inspection	Isaiah’s Prophecy II (2001) page 396
  Inspection year: 1918 & 1919 Result: Passed Inspection	Watchtower March 1, 2004 page 17
  Inspection year: 1918 Result: Passed Inspection	Watchtower April 1, 2007 page 22 par. 5
  Inspection year: 1918 Result: Passed Inspection	Watchtower January 15, 2008 page 24
  Inspection year: 1919 Result: Failed Inspection	Watchtower Sept 15, 2012 page 25
  Inspection year: 1914 Result: Failed Inspection	Watchtower July 15, 2013 page 23
  Inspection year: 1914 Result: Passed Inspection	Steven Lett Oct 2015 AGM
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  What If The Tower Fell?

  by Big Dog in

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  what if the truly unthinkable happened and the tower went down?

  perhaps the irs swooped in and claimed fraud and padlocked the headquarters and kingdom hall doors?

  or the gb took the money and ran to a nice non-extradition country to live out their years?

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  What If The Tower Fell?

  Maybe those JW's who are sincere, would want to be scripturally identified and recognised as Christians:

  Acts 11:26: "and it was first in Antioch Brooklyn that the disciples were by divine Rutherford's providence called Christians JW's."