Posts by pettygrudger

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Time for a new Org for THE silent lambs?

by Prisca in

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the actions of bill bowen over recent months have lead many to conclude that he is more interested in his organisation, silentlambs, rather than the issue of protecting and supporting the silent lambs.

as kismet said:the sl.org vehicle has been poorly identified as being of support to victims of abuse rather than it actually being an activist organization intent on changing policy through the media and the courts and public pressure .

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=43702&page=3&site=3.

pettygrudger

I'm probably really outaline here, but isn't there a way to "semi-merge" Lambsroar with SIlentLambs

(i.e. SilentLambs as the organization bent on changing WT policy & holding the organization accountable for same & Lambsroar as an "outreach" forum designed to help newly discovered Lambs realize they aren't alone & find some comfort in discussions & perhaps some on-line counseling.

This seems to be the direction both organizations are headed, and for the life of me I cannot see how Bill cannot see the redeeming values in BOTH. Perhaps if Bill humbles himself a little here (and I can't believe I'm saying this) he will realize no man is an island - the 2 organizations working together could accomplish so much!

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International Convention in Pontiac, MI

by Jourles in

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just when we all thought the 3 day assemblies were too long, here comes the international conventions which are four days long.

the district convention assignment letter from the branch was read tonight informing our congo that we were chosen to attend this years international convention in pontiac, michigan, from june 19-22.. so to all you apostate playa's out there in the motor city, get your rolling billboards ready and stock up on handouts.

give me some flyers beforehand so i can make sure to drop some off in the bathrooms discretely for maximum coverage.

pettygrudger

Actually - Waterford is only 15 minutes from Pontiac & has some pretty decent places - I live in the Brighton area, so I could give a couple of recommendations if anyone's interested. Sounds like fun - a real mini-apostofest!

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International Convention in Pontiac, MI

by Jourles in

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just when we all thought the 3 day assemblies were too long, here comes the international conventions which are four days long.

the district convention assignment letter from the branch was read tonight informing our congo that we were chosen to attend this years international convention in pontiac, michigan, from june 19-22.. so to all you apostate playa's out there in the motor city, get your rolling billboards ready and stock up on handouts.

give me some flyers beforehand so i can make sure to drop some off in the bathrooms discretely for maximum coverage.

pettygrudger

Hee Hee - that's only 1/2 hour from my house - what's we gonna do?

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Time for a new Org for THE silent lambs?

by Prisca in

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the actions of bill bowen over recent months have lead many to conclude that he is more interested in his organisation, silentlambs, rather than the issue of protecting and supporting the silent lambs.

as kismet said:the sl.org vehicle has been poorly identified as being of support to victims of abuse rather than it actually being an activist organization intent on changing policy through the media and the courts and public pressure .

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=43702&page=3&site=3.

pettygrudger

Whats Lambsroar? Rev.Mak is doing a wonderful job of putting together a forum for abuse victims - or haven't you seen it? It would be nice if those 2 forums would work together - SilentLambs for the organizational/media side & Lambsroar solely for the victims.

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Your Thoughts Needed

by RandomTask in

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this is a complicated situation, so i hope i can explain it well.. my wife and i were raised witnesses.

we got out about a year after we got married and haven't been back since.

although we arent disfellowshipped or disassociated, my wife's family has over the past few years limited the association that her sister, who is 15, can have with my wife.

pettygrudger

RT - sounds like you and your wife have met your crossroads as far as a decision - and I know this can't be an easy one. From everything I've seen since coming on these forums, everyone faces this eventually, so my hats off too you.

If you decide to stand by your principles of not attending, etc., at least the younger sister is 15, so college & leaving the house isn't too far off in the future. Plus, even if you are "cut off" from the family, this does not prevent YOU from contacting them via mail etc.

Wish I knew the right answer here, but I think only you & Mrs. RT have it...best of luck to you!

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Do you believe in demons, Ted Jarasz?

by onthego in

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are you able to sleep at night?

knowing pat garza has gone public saying how you molested her and others when a district overseer in los angeles?

seeing that still another lawsuit was filed the first day of the 2003 new year against the watchtower society you are a governing body member of?

pettygrudger

I don't know - the accusations were kind of rude to make in the first place imho -

If you don't like a certain poster, I thought the "ignore" feature was the appropriate way to handle it - not personal sarcastic remarks. If it were me and such accusations were made in such a sarcastic way - I'd probably be a little "hurt".

But yes, I would have to agree (and have stated as such) that allegations are "just allegations" without proof it isn't fair to judge anyone prematurely

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Do you believe in demons, Ted Jarasz?

by onthego in

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are you able to sleep at night?

knowing pat garza has gone public saying how you molested her and others when a district overseer in los angeles?

seeing that still another lawsuit was filed the first day of the 2003 new year against the watchtower society you are a governing body member of?

pettygrudger

As Nancee's account has been deactivated, nor are the 2 serial numbers at the bottom the same, why are you assuming that they are the same person?

Why you'll giving onthego such a hard time?

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Caring for the Child Molesters

by Swan in

in thinking back over the years past it makes me really sad what we have come to as jehovah's witnesses.

i never thought i would ever be at this point in my life.

in doing some new year reflections i can't help but think of the people i cared about in past years.

pettygrudger

I'm not sure what the "golden" rule should be as far as "terms" Andee - all I know is that some perps take so much away from their victims - and in certain cases the abuse is so grotesque (physical, emotional & mental) that all the therapy in the world won't make it "right" again - it can never be "right" again for many....there's just ways of coping and moving on beyond it.

Also, what about victims that commit suicide rather than be hurt any longer? I attempted suicide at 12 and my mother caught me - had she not I would be dead. Should that death be attributed to my perp - absolutely. How many more that were like me, we'll never know. But the perps that continue their abuse without remorse (until they're caught amazingly enough - everybody repents) as far as I'm concerned, laws couldn't be tough enough.

Victims of victims - fine - I guess that would set me up for a "good excuse" should I continue the cycle right?! To me that is utterly disgusting and irreprehensible. And by saying this, I can't say what mental trigger would make a victim become a perp - its beyond my comprehension, so therefore I guess I have to withhold judgement.

But, a perp that's caught is not remorseful - I wouldn't believe that of any of them. And the laws can't go far enough with this type of criminal imho.

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Caring for the Child Molesters

by Swan in

in thinking back over the years past it makes me really sad what we have come to as jehovah's witnesses.

i never thought i would ever be at this point in my life.

in doing some new year reflections i can't help but think of the people i cared about in past years.

pettygrudger

Though I think that child molestation is horrible and should be dealt with appropriately, I do not believe that it's punishment should be equated with murder.

It should if the crimes commited against someone were long term, and caused permanent demise to the child regardless.

I was the victim of abuse from before I can remember (around 3 according to siblings) up until the age of 12. I will never know exactly everything stolen from me, as the largest part of my childhood revolved around this shit. And there are parts of me that have died - I will NEVER get back my youth. I will never to some extent get back my "trust of people". My ability to have a "normal" sex life - did I lose that? - don't know - all I know is that its STILL an issue even with all the "therapies" available. My perp took more from me than his death EVER could have taken from him - he no longer has to live with his "affliction", he's "no longer in pain". I still have to live with mine, heal from mine & deal with mine - all because of him. Was I sad to see him go? Hell no. This doesn't mean I'm sitting around like a victim. But I never will forgive him for one simple reason - he NEVER ASKED for forgiveness. He never acknowledged that he had a problem. And the fact that I never had the opportunity to "confront" him - so what?!!! It wouldn't have mattered - I don't believe it always does any "healing" for the victim to confront their perps - maybe in some cases, but in the end, the victim still has to find a way to become a survivor on their own.

That's the biggest problem with these "nice" molestors that just need people to care about them - they don't SEEK HELP. They KNOW what they are doing is wrong, and for the moment, their "sickness" just gets the better of them. Fine - but after they've committed said sickness, and when back in their right mind they still don't seek help - knowing they're hurting another person? Come on!!!! They don't "repent" until they're caught & imho that's too late.

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Shooting victims newly wed

by Matty in

shooting victims newly wed

karen hucks; the news tribune .

jamaica howard the sunday before christmas, jamaica howard and her new husband, paul "p.j.

pettygrudger

This is really sad - senseless violence!! It sounds as if this young couple were really trying to put their lives on the right track (even if it was in a cult). My sympathies to their families - this must be so difficult for them. I wonder where "their god" was that day?