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  Daniel was wrong about the fate of the King of the North…..and so is the WT & others

  by deegee in

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  the king of the north, that is, the king of the country geographically located north of judea/palestine was identified by the actual events of history as the seleucids of syria, in particular, the reign of antiochus iv epiphanes.

  the king of the south, that is, the king of the country geographically located south of judea/palestine was identified by the actual events of history as the ptolemies of egypt.

  daniel 11:40-45 prophesied that antiochus (king of the north) would make war once again against egypt, and would die on the coast of palestine “between the sea and the holy mountain”.

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  deegee

  Further, have you and those Bible Scholars EXAMINED THE BOOK OF DANIEL IN ITS ENTIRETY?

  The uncanny accuracy of Daniel’s “prophesies” in Daniel 11: 1- 39 have perhaps led you and those scholars to believe that Daniel is an inspired book, but have you and those scholars examined the entire book?
  

  Daniel 11: 1 – 39 covered events from the 4th to the 2nd century B. C. with uncanny accuracy HOWEVER, when the events of 6th-century B. C. history in the book of Daniel are compared with actual history there are significant inaccuracies about this era in the book, which is shocking since Daniel claimed to be a Jewish captive who had become an important official in the Babylonian empire. Daniel did not know the events of his own era as a 6th-century B. C. Babylonian official.

  http://web.archive.org/web/20061115025003/http://www.infidels.org:80/library

  /magazines/tsr/1998/4/984bad.html

  This is a clear indication that the book of Daniel is not authentic and can’t be taken seriously.
  

  This is why modern bible critics think it is more likely that in chapter 11 verses 1 - 39, the writer, rather than looking forward into time, was actually looking back on events that had happened far more recently than the Babylonian captivity, and so that is why he performed much better in this chapter than in those that reported the activities of Daniel in 6th-century Babylon.
  

  
  
  
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  Daniel was wrong about the fate of the King of the North…..and so is the WT & others

  by deegee in

  1. watchtower
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  the king of the north, that is, the king of the country geographically located north of judea/palestine was identified by the actual events of history as the seleucids of syria, in particular, the reign of antiochus iv epiphanes.

  the king of the south, that is, the king of the country geographically located south of judea/palestine was identified by the actual events of history as the ptolemies of egypt.

  daniel 11:40-45 prophesied that antiochus (king of the north) would make war once again against egypt, and would die on the coast of palestine “between the sea and the holy mountain”.

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  deegee

  Order,

  What are “the many things that follow that cannot be applied to Antiochus Epiphanes”?
  

  Daniel 11:21 – 39 accurately “foretold" the rise and reign of Antiochus Epiphanes with the same uncanny accuracy as verses 1 – 20. The prophecies "foretold" Antiochus's military successes and his deposing of the High Priest Onias in 175 B. C. They "foretold" the attempts of Antiochus to destroy the Jewish religion by banning dietary laws and desecrating the temple in Jerusalem with pagan idols and sacrifices. THEN, SUDDENLY, THE UNCANNY ACCURACY STOPPED and none of the events in Daniel 11:40 – 45 actually happened.
  

  Have you read the apocryphal books of the Maccabees? Many of Antiochus Epiphanes’ efforts to stamp out Jewish traditions and religious practices are recorded in the apocryphal books of the Maccabees.
  

  http://web.archive.org/web/20060213095302/http://www.infidels.org:80/library/

  magazines/tsr/1998/5/985front.html

  
  
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  Daniel was wrong about the fate of the King of the North…..and so is the WT & others

  by deegee in

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  the king of the north, that is, the king of the country geographically located north of judea/palestine was identified by the actual events of history as the seleucids of syria, in particular, the reign of antiochus iv epiphanes.

  the king of the south, that is, the king of the country geographically located south of judea/palestine was identified by the actual events of history as the ptolemies of egypt.

  daniel 11:40-45 prophesied that antiochus (king of the north) would make war once again against egypt, and would die on the coast of palestine “between the sea and the holy mountain”.

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  deegee

  Problems posting.

  Bunji,

  Sorry, I should have provided more details, I was trying to make my OP as brief and to the point as possible.

  The "no third war" refers to the wars specifically led by Antiochus IV Epiphanes, the Seleucid king of Syria, against Egypt and do not include those fought by his predecessors.

  Daniel accurately referred to two campaigns which Antiochus IV Epiphanes led against Egypt. Daniel then made an intelligent guess based on Antiochus IV Epiphanes' military successes and predicted that Antiochus IV Epiphanes would invade Egypt a third time, conquer it and revel in its riches. It is this third war that did not happen.

  To your point about the total 6 wars between the Ptolemaic and Seleucid dynasties:

  The following source compares actual history with the so-called "prophecies" in Daniel 11 regarding the wars between the dynasties. It provides a good comparison but doesn't state whether Daniel failed to mention any of the wars which actually occurred according to history. I will have to research that further:

  http://web.archive.org/web/20061022015215/http://www.infidels.org/library/

  magazines/tsr/1998/5/985good.html
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  Daniel was wrong about the fate of the King of the North…..and so is the WT & others

  by deegee in

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  the king of the north, that is, the king of the country geographically located north of judea/palestine was identified by the actual events of history as the seleucids of syria, in particular, the reign of antiochus iv epiphanes.

  the king of the south, that is, the king of the country geographically located south of judea/palestine was identified by the actual events of history as the ptolemies of egypt.

  daniel 11:40-45 prophesied that antiochus (king of the north) would make war once again against egypt, and would die on the coast of palestine “between the sea and the holy mountain”.

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  Daniel was wrong about the fate of the King of the North…..and so is the WT & others

  by deegee in

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  the king of the north, that is, the king of the country geographically located north of judea/palestine was identified by the actual events of history as the seleucids of syria, in particular, the reign of antiochus iv epiphanes.

  the king of the south, that is, the king of the country geographically located south of judea/palestine was identified by the actual events of history as the ptolemies of egypt.

  daniel 11:40-45 prophesied that antiochus (king of the north) would make war once again against egypt, and would die on the coast of palestine “between the sea and the holy mountain”.

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  Daniel was wrong about the fate of the King of the North…..and so is the WT & others

  by deegee in

  1. watchtower
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  the king of the north, that is, the king of the country geographically located north of judea/palestine was identified by the actual events of history as the seleucids of syria, in particular, the reign of antiochus iv epiphanes.

  the king of the south, that is, the king of the country geographically located south of judea/palestine was identified by the actual events of history as the ptolemies of egypt.

  daniel 11:40-45 prophesied that antiochus (king of the north) would make war once again against egypt, and would die on the coast of palestine “between the sea and the holy mountain”.

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  deegee

  Bungi,

  Is the total of the six wars fought between the Ptolemaic and Seleucid dynasties mentioned in Daniel?

  How many wars between the two dynasties does Daniel mention?
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  Daniel was wrong about the fate of the King of the North…..and so is the WT & others

  by deegee in

  1. watchtower
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  the king of the north, that is, the king of the country geographically located north of judea/palestine was identified by the actual events of history as the seleucids of syria, in particular, the reign of antiochus iv epiphanes.

  the king of the south, that is, the king of the country geographically located south of judea/palestine was identified by the actual events of history as the ptolemies of egypt.

  daniel 11:40-45 prophesied that antiochus (king of the north) would make war once again against egypt, and would die on the coast of palestine “between the sea and the holy mountain”.

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  deegee

  The king of the north, that is, the king of the country geographically located north of Judea/Palestine was identified by the actual events of history as the Seleucids of Syria, in particular, the reign of Antiochus IV Epiphanes.

  The king of the south, that is, the king of the country geographically located south of Judea/Palestine was identified by the actual events of history as the Ptolemies of Egypt.

  Daniel 11:40-45 prophesied that Antiochus (king of the north) would make war once again against Egypt, and would die on the coast of Palestine “between the sea and the holy mountain”. This event did not happen: there was no third war and Antiochus (king of the north) did not die in Palestine, he died in Persia. This is a failed prophecy by Daniel.

  The prediction concerning Antiochus’ (king of the north) final battle and place of death in Palestine (Daniel 11:45) was inaccurate, and so we know that this "prophecy" was completed before the news of his death in Persia in late 164 BCE reached Jerusalem.

  The failed prophecy of Daniel 11:40-45 is one of the giveaways that the book of Daniel was completed before 164 BCE, during the Maccabean period and that the author of Daniel was writing history and not prophecy.

  The author of Daniel also claimed that the end of history would occur after the death of Antiochus (king of the north) in Palestine. This also did not happen.

  The WT however claims that the identity of the king of the north will be changing over time. They also claim that the king of the north is the same as "Gog of Magog" in Ezekiel. Others have claimed that China is a more plausible contender for the position than Russia and there are other theories such as Christianity vs Islam, neoNazism etc.

  Where in Daniel 11 does it state that the identity of the king of the north will be changing over time and that this king is the same as "Gog of Magog" in Ezekiel?
  

  Where in Daniel 11 does it state that the king of the north will be China, Islam or neoNazism?
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  John Ceder used my satire about annual meeting for real

  by Gorbatchov in

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  sorry guys,.

  the gorby satire fake report of the annual meeting with the coincidence about russia, is used for real in john cedars yt channel.. please concider it for well prepared satire.. and not much more.. g..

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  deegee

  Now, now, now. Since Jesus’ return is invisible a la Russell why not also just put a spin on the Paradise and make it invisible too?

  LOL.

  This must be the funniest thing I've ever seen on JWN & JWSurvey.
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  At least 2 of current Governing body are not honest about even their names.

  by Not_Culty in

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  many don't know that at least 2 of current governing body are not honest about even their name.

  mark sanderson is actually douglas mark sanderson.

  stephen lett is mark stephen lett .

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  lol sir82!
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  World Powers

  by Fred Franztone in

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  jws have a unique interpretation of the seven kings of revelation.

  they of course refer to roman rulers, but the wt believe they represent certain 'world powers'.. the problem with these world powers is how arbitrary they are, not to mention the fact that none of them truly were world powers, in fact none of them even covered the entirety of europe, and the anglo-american world power isn't even a distinct entity.. then there are all of the world powers that are left out for convenience, many of which were far bigger.

  the mongolian empire and the ottoman empire were both bigger than half of the chosen world powers, such as medo-persia.. has anyone ever taken this topic up with jws?

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  deegee

  I think JWs? and some Christians believe that Daniel’s symbology contains a reference to a Medo-Persian empire. However, if I’m not mistaken, according to historians an amalgamated Medo-Persian empire never existed.