Posts by deegee

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KON distraction.

by I Faded Twice in

there are alot of posts about the king of the north announcements.

this is all hocus pokus bull shit.

it's not about king of the north.

Paradise After Death:Mark Twain calls out some of the stupider ideas-

by Captain Schmideo2 in

jw
friends

"in paradise, i am going to visit [insert favorite bible character here]" - said at least once in their life by every devout jw.now, for some hard, cold practicalities-excerpt from "captain stormfield's visit to heaven"“oh, there are a lot of such things that people expect and don’t get.

for instance, there’s a brooklyn preacher by the name of talmage, who is laying up a considerable disappointment for himself.

there’s millions of people down there on earth that are promising themselves the same thing.

deegee

"... well, think about it. Who'd want thousands of strangers constantly coming up and asking, 'what was it like?', 'what was it like?', 'what was it like?', every day, over and over and over???...Vidiot

That's a no-brainer, Noah will just make a recording for playback. LOL

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Paradise After Death:Mark Twain calls out some of the stupider ideas-

by Captain Schmideo2 in

jw
friends

"in paradise, i am going to visit [insert favorite bible character here]" - said at least once in their life by every devout jw.now, for some hard, cold practicalities-excerpt from "captain stormfield's visit to heaven"“oh, there are a lot of such things that people expect and don’t get.

for instance, there’s a brooklyn preacher by the name of talmage, who is laying up a considerable disappointment for himself.

there’s millions of people down there on earth that are promising themselves the same thing.

deegee

LOL.

Maybe there will be a big screen TV just like at a sporting event so that we will all be able to see the Patriarchs, Moses, Adam, Abel etc. for miles and miles all around and at a distance.

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Daniel was wrong about the fate of the King of the North…..and so is the WT & others

by deegee in

the king of the north, that is, the king of the country geographically located north of judea/palestine was identified by the actual events of history as the seleucids of syria, in particular, the reign of antiochus iv epiphanes.

the king of the south, that is, the king of the country geographically located south of judea/palestine was identified by the actual events of history as the ptolemies of egypt.

daniel 11:40-45 prophesied that antiochus (king of the north) would make war once again against egypt, and would die on the coast of palestine “between the sea and the holy mountain”.

deegee

Further, have you and those Bible Scholars EXAMINED THE BOOK OF DANIEL IN ITS ENTIRETY?

The uncanny accuracy of Daniel’s “prophesies” in Daniel 11: 1- 39 have perhaps led you and those scholars to believe that Daniel is an inspired book, but have you and those scholars examined the entire book?

Daniel 11: 1 – 39 covered events from the 4th to the 2nd century B. C. with uncanny accuracy HOWEVER, when the events of 6th-century B. C. history in the book of Daniel are compared with actual history there are significant inaccuracies about this era in the book, which is shocking since Daniel claimed to be a Jewish captive who had become an important official in the Babylonian empire. Daniel did not know the events of his own era as a 6th-century B. C. Babylonian official.

http://web.archive.org/web/20061115025003/http://www.infidels.org:80/library

/magazines/tsr/1998/4/984bad.html

This is a clear indication that the book of Daniel is not authentic and can’t be taken seriously.

This is why modern bible critics think it is more likely that in chapter 11 verses 1 - 39, the writer, rather than looking forward into time, was actually looking back on events that had happened far more recently than the Babylonian captivity, and so that is why he performed much better in this chapter than in those that reported the activities of Daniel in 6th-century Babylon.

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Daniel was wrong about the fate of the King of the North…..and so is the WT & others

by deegee in

the king of the north, that is, the king of the country geographically located north of judea/palestine was identified by the actual events of history as the seleucids of syria, in particular, the reign of antiochus iv epiphanes.

the king of the south, that is, the king of the country geographically located south of judea/palestine was identified by the actual events of history as the ptolemies of egypt.

daniel 11:40-45 prophesied that antiochus (king of the north) would make war once again against egypt, and would die on the coast of palestine “between the sea and the holy mountain”.

deegee

Order,

What are “the many things that follow that cannot be applied to Antiochus Epiphanes”?

Daniel 11:21 – 39 accurately “foretold" the rise and reign of Antiochus Epiphanes with the same uncanny accuracy as verses 1 – 20. The prophecies "foretold" Antiochus's military successes and his deposing of the High Priest Onias in 175 B. C. They "foretold" the attempts of Antiochus to destroy the Jewish religion by banning dietary laws and desecrating the temple in Jerusalem with pagan idols and sacrifices. THEN, SUDDENLY, THE UNCANNY ACCURACY STOPPED and none of the events in Daniel 11:40 – 45 actually happened.

Have you read the apocryphal books of the Maccabees? Many of Antiochus Epiphanes’ efforts to stamp out Jewish traditions and religious practices are recorded in the apocryphal books of the Maccabees.

http://web.archive.org/web/20060213095302/http://www.infidels.org:80/library/

magazines/tsr/1998/5/985front.html

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Daniel was wrong about the fate of the King of the North…..and so is the WT & others

by deegee in

the king of the north, that is, the king of the country geographically located north of judea/palestine was identified by the actual events of history as the seleucids of syria, in particular, the reign of antiochus iv epiphanes.

the king of the south, that is, the king of the country geographically located south of judea/palestine was identified by the actual events of history as the ptolemies of egypt.

daniel 11:40-45 prophesied that antiochus (king of the north) would make war once again against egypt, and would die on the coast of palestine “between the sea and the holy mountain”.

deegee

Problems posting.

Bunji,

Sorry, I should have provided more details, I was trying to make my OP as brief and to the point as possible.

The "no third war" refers to the wars specifically led by Antiochus IV Epiphanes, the Seleucid king of Syria, against Egypt and do not include those fought by his predecessors.

Daniel accurately referred to two campaigns which Antiochus IV Epiphanes led against Egypt. Daniel then made an intelligent guess based on Antiochus IV Epiphanes' military successes and predicted that Antiochus IV Epiphanes would invade Egypt a third time, conquer it and revel in its riches. It is this third war that did not happen.

To your point about the total 6 wars between the Ptolemaic and Seleucid dynasties:

The following source compares actual history with the so-called "prophecies" in Daniel 11 regarding the wars between the dynasties. It provides a good comparison but doesn't state whether Daniel failed to mention any of the wars which actually occurred according to history. I will have to research that further:

http://web.archive.org/web/20061022015215/http://www.infidels.org/library/

magazines/tsr/1998/5/985good.html

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Daniel was wrong about the fate of the King of the North…..and so is the WT & others

by deegee in

the king of the north, that is, the king of the country geographically located north of judea/palestine was identified by the actual events of history as the seleucids of syria, in particular, the reign of antiochus iv epiphanes.

the king of the south, that is, the king of the country geographically located south of judea/palestine was identified by the actual events of history as the ptolemies of egypt.

daniel 11:40-45 prophesied that antiochus (king of the north) would make war once again against egypt, and would die on the coast of palestine “between the sea and the holy mountain”.

deegee

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Daniel was wrong about the fate of the King of the North…..and so is the WT & others

by deegee in

the king of the north, that is, the king of the country geographically located north of judea/palestine was identified by the actual events of history as the seleucids of syria, in particular, the reign of antiochus iv epiphanes.

the king of the south, that is, the king of the country geographically located south of judea/palestine was identified by the actual events of history as the ptolemies of egypt.

daniel 11:40-45 prophesied that antiochus (king of the north) would make war once again against egypt, and would die on the coast of palestine “between the sea and the holy mountain”.

deegee

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Daniel was wrong about the fate of the King of the North…..and so is the WT & others

by deegee in

the king of the north, that is, the king of the country geographically located north of judea/palestine was identified by the actual events of history as the seleucids of syria, in particular, the reign of antiochus iv epiphanes.

the king of the south, that is, the king of the country geographically located south of judea/palestine was identified by the actual events of history as the ptolemies of egypt.

daniel 11:40-45 prophesied that antiochus (king of the north) would make war once again against egypt, and would die on the coast of palestine “between the sea and the holy mountain”.

deegee

Bungi,

Is the total of the six wars fought between the Ptolemaic and Seleucid dynasties mentioned in Daniel?

How many wars between the two dynasties does Daniel mention?

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Daniel was wrong about the fate of the King of the North…..and so is the WT & others

by deegee in

the king of the north, that is, the king of the country geographically located north of judea/palestine was identified by the actual events of history as the seleucids of syria, in particular, the reign of antiochus iv epiphanes.

the king of the south, that is, the king of the country geographically located south of judea/palestine was identified by the actual events of history as the ptolemies of egypt.

daniel 11:40-45 prophesied that antiochus (king of the north) would make war once again against egypt, and would die on the coast of palestine “between the sea and the holy mountain”.

deegee

The king of the north, that is, the king of the country geographically located north of Judea/Palestine was identified by the actual events of history as the Seleucids of Syria, in particular, the reign of Antiochus IV Epiphanes.

The king of the south, that is, the king of the country geographically located south of Judea/Palestine was identified by the actual events of history as the Ptolemies of Egypt.

Daniel 11:40-45 prophesied that Antiochus (king of the north) would make war once again against Egypt, and would die on the coast of Palestine “between the sea and the holy mountain”. This event did not happen: there was no third war and Antiochus (king of the north) did not die in Palestine, he died in Persia. This is a failed prophecy by Daniel.

The prediction concerning Antiochus’ (king of the north) final battle and place of death in Palestine (Daniel 11:45) was inaccurate, and so we know that this "prophecy" was completed before the news of his death in Persia in late 164 BCE reached Jerusalem.

The failed prophecy of Daniel 11:40-45 is one of the giveaways that the book of Daniel was completed before 164 BCE, during the Maccabean period and that the author of Daniel was writing history and not prophecy.

The author of Daniel also claimed that the end of history would occur after the death of Antiochus (king of the north) in Palestine. This also did not happen.

The WT however claims that the identity of the king of the north will be changing over time. They also claim that the king of the north is the same as "Gog of Magog" in Ezekiel. Others have claimed that China is a more plausible contender for the position than Russia and there are other theories such as Christianity vs Islam, neoNazism etc.

Where in Daniel 11 does it state that the identity of the king of the north will be changing over time and that this king is the same as "Gog of Magog" in Ezekiel?

Where in Daniel 11 does it state that the king of the north will be China, Islam or neoNazism?