today i visited a dear one in the hospital.
i was there on monday and he was having such a rough time, i wasn't able to go into his room.
today, i arrived and peeked into his room, he saw me and waved me in.
Good for you Peg. He deserves to know that he will be missed and that he is loved and admired.
You described a very kind and loving man with only good intentions.
From your post I guessed that you were the only one there to visit him.
I have always noticed that an ill jw would only have a few family and other jw's visiting or no one at all.
While the "worldly" people would have friends, family, church members and co workers there.
Where is that loving spirit in the jw's?
Outoftheorg
Well now, I am at a loss for words Brownboy.
That didn't last for long.
When Jehovah starts talking to me in my dreams, you will be the first to know.
Well no, you will be the second to know. Because I would be the first, ya know?
If this information comes to me in parables and such I am gonna be disappointed.
Because I wont be able to decode them.
Outoftheorg
Brown boy you need to go to bethel and talk to the gb about the lack of love in jehovah's organization.
At one time early on before Joe R. they did seem to have a small amount of love for the members.
Compared to today it was a large amount.
I think you could fit right into Fred Franz's shoes and his apartment nicely.
They don't have anyone like you there any more and you are needed.
Ask Jehovah about this and tell us what he thinks of this.
Outoftheorg of the whishful thinkers class.
that comment has been made a number of times.
since jehovah loves those he disciplines, short of stoning one, this is god's way of saying, i love you"......stupid, huh?
If god loves the df'd sinners "as judged by the wbts" where does that leave those not df'd?
God doesn't love them? I'll go for that.
Outoftheorg
for years i have felt i was the only one on earth that was reeling from my involvement with jw.
i stumbled upon this website and feel an overwhelming desire to dance.
here is my story:.
WELCOME Girl. You are sure not alone. I wouldn't be surprized to find there are as many ex jw's as there are active ones.
You'r in a good place on this forum. It has helped me with all the issues those of us may have. Due to the cult and our start in the borg so early in life.
Outoftheorg
just a couple of days ago, the us supreme court ruled in a case that has demolished the 4th amendment which states:.
amendment iv: the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
previously, you were secure in your person, including your cloths, car, house, etc.
Actually Franklin There are organized drug dealers that are being viewed as terrorists now. Their actions and killings are taking on a terrorist set of methods.
South america has seen organized drug dealers attack the government and kill judges. It took military action to stop them. Then another takes over. This is a world in turmoil from several directions.
Outoftheorg
i have found that while i can remember my childhood from ages 3-5, i can't remember much after that until i was 17 or so.
my mom came into the jws when i was 3, and i remember celebrating our last christmas.
it was a small christmas tree on the end table and it had a present for each of us (2 kids).
Country Girl, I am sorry if I offended you.
No where in my post was I refering to you or anyone else.
I was just printing my feelings and memories as I recall them.
Every thing you read there is ME and some memories of MY life.
I seldom judge anyone personally. I am not advocating or preaching on this thread.
Now there might be some others------Nah.
Be happy girl, I care about your feelings.
How do you deal with it and live with the past?
Well for me when I told my ex wife that I felt it was time to put the past in the past and leave it there. That forgivness by me for her and for me by her was long overdue.
Then in words they will never hear "since they are dead" forgive my parents and my siblings for how they treated me.
Then and maybe most important, I forgave myself for my past mistakes. Even though I don't feel that I did much to ask forgivness for. There is something about this forgiving ourselves thing that releases a load of help in our mental emotional struggles.
None of this has to be in a religious sense, I did it in a psychological approach.
Outoftheorg
just a couple of days ago, the us supreme court ruled in a case that has demolished the 4th amendment which states:.
amendment iv: the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
previously, you were secure in your person, including your cloths, car, house, etc.
Well Amazing I guess we will just have to agree to dissagree.
I don't see anything in this situation as you see it.
I really don't see how a dog sniffing and finding nothing is harmful to anyone.
I was a deputy in the mid 1960'S and never heard of such a thing as stick night. I seriously doubt the accuracy of your friends claims. To make this claim is to paint all officers as evil beasts.
My findings are that some of the most arrogant mean people I ever knew-- were cops. Some of the finest most caring honest people I have ever known-- were cops.
Most of the cops I knew were very ordinary people who looked upon their position as a job. They tried to remain detached from emotions and anger and proceed in a business like manner.
They were not emotional unless someone tried to hurt them or other citizens or situations involving injuries or children.
It seems to me that most of your statements are based on the thought that officers are out to hurt people or make unjustified arrests.
I am sorry you pissed in the chp car and you were fearing he might, as you say "claimed" to have found something, then have you arrested.
My point is "he did not" your fear then and now is not justified.
I don't think you have to worry about squads of cops going from door to door with drug sniffing dogs.
Using traffic violations and the procedure and applying them to felony charges is only confusing as the two are totally different situations.
Well it is plain neither of us will agree.
So I wish you the best in life Amazing and I "usually" enjoy your posts and knowledge.
i have found that while i can remember my childhood from ages 3-5, i can't remember much after that until i was 17 or so.
my mom came into the jws when i was 3, and i remember celebrating our last christmas.
it was a small christmas tree on the end table and it had a present for each of us (2 kids).
I came on the scene in 1935. mom was a jw dad was not. One brother two sisters. Remember the family moving a lot but I always found them. :)
Sitting in dads lap and him holding me, mom never did. WW 2 came and lots of soldiers parade through town. Brother goes to prison to please mom and the wbts.
War ends brother comes back home and all three kids leave home. Mom is devastated, dad seems ok, I am really confused.
Jw's and school don't get along. Go to one school for a year and have only one memory about it.
Start working at 17 yrs. family destitute I must work. Dad dies at 19 never got to really know him as an adult. Miss that.
I think I turned out ok don't seem to have any mental emotional problems. Oh I forgot the elders said I had fits of rage and df'd me. They were right, I hated their guts and wanted to beat on them.
They think I am dangerous and have a mental problem. Whata you think?
All in all, knowing my parents age-health-problems, they did the best they knew how.
I would like to blame all my misfortunes on them but knowing of my own mistakes as a parent, I can't justify blaming them for it all.
Life is difficult. I guess it is designed to be that way. what ever, that is the way it is.
Outoftheorg
just a couple of days ago, the us supreme court ruled in a case that has demolished the 4th amendment which states:.
amendment iv: the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
previously, you were secure in your person, including your cloths, car, house, etc.
Jim I don't understand your first reply.
I was talking about discussions I heard between grown ups when I was a child. The discussions were similar to this issue. There was fear that the gov. was going to go wild with police actions. I wasn't talking about any specific actions of the courts.
No being nervous is not a crime. However having been a sheriffs deputy I can tell you that a persons actions and behaviour are definite signs to be noticed. After a while any good officer can almost smell the kind of fear that needs attention. To act upon the smelling of alchol on a drivers breath is not an act of invasion of privacy. The act of letting a dog sniff the air around the outside of an automobile is not an invasion of privacy. Answering a neighbors call about screams next door and standing at the front door and seeing through the window a person with a bloody nose and then taking action is not an invasion of privacy.
There was no search with out a right. If the officer had the smelling ability of the dog, and he smelled drugs there is probable cause. The dog was used and indicated the presence of drugs. That is probable cause. Then the search is started.
I am not correlating this to the jw's in any way but to the similar highly emotional approach to life and changes in life. Seeing danger that does not exist.
If we aren't doing illegal acts what have we to fear is justified. If there had not been any illegal drugs none of this would have taken place.
There was no search of the individual or the car, until the dog smelled drugs. Smelling the air around you is not a search. All of this fits the 4th amendment requirements.
