Are only jws going to survive Armageddon? (Wait for canned response "God reads hearts"). If that's so, why are you knocking on doors and trying to convert people?
mentalclarity
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JW Stumper Questions - List You Best Here
by pale.emperor inhi guys.
sooner or later we're going to get a jw knocking on our door.
just like when we were jw's doing the knocking, it's good to have a question prepared to get them thinking about their own beliefs.
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First Christmas without the guilt
by Apostate Anonymous ini have lurked around the site for about 3 months and finally decided to join.
this will be my first time creating a topic here.
a little backstory for me.
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mentalclarity
Welcome! As i sit here looking at my xmas tree without a shred of guilt or surprise i can totally relate to being happy to be free. It might seem small to some but celebrating xmas guilt free is huge to ex jws.
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I know this shouldn’t bother me...but
by MTSman inso i woke up this morning with nothing planned for the day.
i rolled out of bed around 9am and went to local mcky ds to get some breakfast, and lord and behold there was a group of jdubs sitting around eating and sipping on coffee, probable counting time.
anyway, i glanced over and recognized all of them and they glanced back at me.
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mentalclarity
I think it would be weird if it didn't bother you - I mean people that you've known for years and had a relationship with, just snubbing you and ignoring your presence????? That's crazy, but it's "normalized" because JWs are programmed to think that they are doing this for a just cause. You used to behave this way too- but now you're not programmed anymore so it's bizarre behavior (as it should be). You're feeling isn't an issue-their behavior is.
Look at it as a sign that you've been deprogrammed
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Christmas Eve Best Wishes To ALL of you .
by smiddy3 init`s christmas eve here in australia today and i wish all of you a very merry xmas simply because i can without being zapped , or hauled into a jc committee.. it doesn`t matter whether you are religious or not , i`m not now , however i can appreciate and respect those who do.. so whatever your views on the matter have a great day and enjoy the holidays in whatever grabs your fancy.. and if jw`s do come knocking on your door as they do this festive season wish them a merry xmas and anti-witness to them ..
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Merry Christmas! I went to the supermarket today with my daughter and when the cashier said "merry Christmas" and I answered Merry xmas in return, I couldn't help but smile......I can say that without feeling guilty...It's the little things, you know...that make me so happy to be free.
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Work Colleague Went To a JW Funeral - His Experience
by pale.emperor inso the guy in my office on the desk next to me has just got back from the funeral of his wifes sister.
this was his first time in a kh and full on exposure to jwdom.. bit of background: the deceased jw was not a born in, she was a convert when she was in her teens.
she died last week at the age of 82. the poor old dear was still zealously knocking on doors while in ill health.
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@Finkelstein I remember a witness telling me she was counseled by some from her hall because she was crying at a family member's funeral. They said it showed to others(non-JW) that she didn't have faith in the resurrection.
What a complete disrespect to the person who died - to use someone's death as an "opportunity" to witness. Is nothing sacred to these people?
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Do You Feels That Your Life Was Ruined Because of Ypur JW Experience?
by minimus ini know that some are upset because of the time lost because of ever having been a witness.
have you moved on as an ex jw or are you stil devastated because of your past jw lige?.
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mentalclarity
I think alot of this depends on how old you were when you left and the severity of your experiences. I was fortunate enough to leave young to go back to school and start a career. I also was able to save my kids from being indoctrinated. My experience was pretty tame in comparison to many on here -
I did need a huge learning curve when I left to get some life skills I didn't posses as a born-in. The choices I make now about my life are very intentional - that includes being responsible for becoming aware of how my JW upbringing might have skewed my thinking. Being a JW took time away from me and I am not willing to let it take any more of my time. As soon as I got out I hit the road running and I am now reaping the rewards. My life is far from ruined.
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Higher Education
by Brian J injust spent 8 hours in a 1 day elders school last weekend.
clarification given: "moving forward any elder, ms, or pioneer who themselves or someone under their roof enrolls in higher education, may no longer qualify for privileges in the congregation.
their qualifications will have to be reviewed by their boe.".
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@Fisherman -"That would not be highly viewed by the congregation and it is not what a JW who has faith should do".
Actually they are used as elders, give talks at conventions, are on the liaison committee - so I have to disagree with your statement. In Latin America JWs (who can afford it) have been sending their kids to Universities for years because of the economical situation and how competitive the job market is. These are elder's kids who have all their privileges.
Be open to the fact that attitudes might differ depending on where you live and your community.
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The awake on my doorstep
by days of future passed ini occasionaly get a magazine left on the porch of my house.
this time it was an awake.
is the world out of control?.
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There's this great book by Anabelle Mooney called "The rhetoric of religious cults : terms of use and abuse" She analyzes a pamphlet by JWs (can't remember which one now). It is extremely interesting- she points out all the manipulative language used. Once I read her analysis, I could never read JW stuff the same again. The assumptions and generalizations made without specifying sources..."scientists agree bla bla bla" What scientists? "Logically we can conclude..." when it's not a logical conclusion at all! She goes on to state the whole guise of offering "bible studies" when in actuality you're offering a way to conversion. She looks at several cults- not just JWs. The way the literature is written and presented is very carefully planned- there is no question about that.
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Higher Education
by Brian J injust spent 8 hours in a 1 day elders school last weekend.
clarification given: "moving forward any elder, ms, or pioneer who themselves or someone under their roof enrolls in higher education, may no longer qualify for privileges in the congregation.
their qualifications will have to be reviewed by their boe.".
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mentalclarity
I know elders in the US whose kids have gone to college and gotten 4 year degrees. In fact most the younger millennial JWs I know have some sort of degree (whether technical or 4 year) The idea (for these JWs) is that a higher level of education will allow them to work less and earn more while devoting time to preaching,etc. JWs are ever so practical. If the goal of the education is to be able to serve the organization more fully, I don't think it is frowned upon.
Obviously they aren't encouraging kids to move into dorms away from their community and study philosophy. But nowadays studying after high school is pretty much a given because it's very hard to get a job that can support a family without a degree. This wasn't the case a couple of decades ago when JWs vehemently opposed higher education. None of the people I know lost privileges. Maybe this is some isolated congregation with an overzealous elder, but the higher education ban screwed the Jws growing up in the eighties and nineties mostly.
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Tight Pants Tony and the 1st international broadcast started a chain reaction that woke up an uber pioneer
by Bad_Wolf inhopefully more are on the same path.
here is the story..... this person i know was the model jw, and them and their spouse could have really moved up.
they knew i was gone and awhile ago started asking me questions.
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mentalclarity
When I was a JW I had no clue who the actual people in the Governing Body was. Now that we see the "man behind the curtain" in all its glory I can't help but think I would have left a lot sooner. I just would have expected so much more from them - maybe like a monk a lo Dalai Lama. Instead we get this???? Worst strategic mistake JWs did- the more attention and exposure these men get, the more JWs will leave. It really leaves me scratching my head as to how people are still JWs knowing that the men they look to for spiritual guidance are this insane.