Posts by UnshackleTheChains

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cleveland ohio RC notes

by nowwhat? in

peak attendance 7100. baptised 38 mixed bag of old and young.

youngest age 10. saw no brothers with beards.

better than average .50% growth.

UnshackleTheChains

Saw no brothers with beards

Wow. It looks like Scotland is leading the way. Everywhere you looked around at our convention, there was someone wearing a beard (men of course 😂)

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Speaking of the 144,000...................

by The Fall Guy in

...........why would an all-powerful christ, whom the bible describes as having been given "all authority", need 144,000 other king/priests as "helpers" to run his universal organization?

(matthew 28:18) .

1 corinthians 15:25 - "for he [not 144,000] must rule as king until god has put all enemies under his feet.".

UnshackleTheChains

why would an all-powerful Christ, whom the Bible describes as having been given "all authority", need 144,000 other king/priests as "helpers" to run his universal organization

If you read all old testament prophecies about the coming Messiah; and then read all new testament prophecies about Messiahs (Christ -in Greek) 2nd coming, it makes perfect sense for Jesus to appoint rulers/governors over the earth - effectively his administration. How can you do this sitting on the clouds far away invisibly. Rev 5:10 is perfectly correct in saying the chosen ones will rule on or upon the earth.

The whole idea about the 2 class system - ie small flock going up to heaven and a great Crowd staying here on earth has created so much confusion.

That's why the number of memorial partakers is turning into a farce. All Christians were to partake in remembrance of Jesus sacrifice untill the end.

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honesty

by midnight in

regarding the recent 1975 video at the convention it hit me !.

when reasoning with people about the inspiration of the bible we used the bible writers candor ie/ there honesty when recording bible accounts about there personal mistakes .. how come the governing body despite its claims to be spirit directed are not honest about there mistakes ?.

UnshackleTheChains

They could have been honest at this year's convention like saying

'Dear brothers, we as an organisation have decided to make some important adjustments.

admittedly, we got the year 1975 wrong. We printed this idea through a our literature which in turn built up false hopes. We on behalf of the GB wish to apologise for this error.

Also just to set the record straight our understanding is that Jerusalem was actually destroyed in 587bce. But this doesn't change God's timing about the end of the 'age'.

What's more, we would like to suggest that our teaching on blood, and the celebration of birthdays is now up to an individuals conscience and no one should judge his brother over their choices in such matters.

If an individual chooses to leave the organisation freely. So be it. As a change in our policy individuals making such a decision should not be shunned. But out of Christian love, the door is always open to welcome such ones back.

We have also made a thorough review of all our policies and would like to announce that are policies are available to read on our website JW.org. We also welcome any constructive feedback.

We hope these changes reflect a Christ like spirit of love brothers. We thank our God Jehovah and our Lord Jesus Christ for helping us in bringing about these momentous changes.

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Lessons learned from the wife of lot drama

by purrpurr in

the video drama shown at the recent comvention was called "the wife of lot".

i noticed some stuble lessons being taught in this soap opera style video.... firstly, all the bad influence comes from women, its the wife and the mother in law whose pushing for more money and a better lifestyle.

while the men remain loyal to god, can't show the men going astray now can we?.

UnshackleTheChains

I have to admit, I thought the lady playing the lead role was really cute

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My jaw dropping OMG moment at the end of the convention

by UnshackleTheChains in

yes folks.

over the past few days i can honestly say the convention was relatively quite good.

most of the talks, videos, symposiums were in line with scripture if you have faith in the bible.

UnshackleTheChains

Are you sure that's the number for this year, 2017?

If it is, then it's over 4,000 fewer than last year (2016) when more than 18,000 were said to have partaken of the emblems

Steve2

I stand corrected. The actual number was 18013. JW facts shows the rise in numbers over the years. Therefore the so called mistakers (faketakers) outnumber the so 'wt official' partakers.

https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/memorial-partakers.php

Personally. I believe ALL Christians should be partaking as Jesus said 'Take ALL of you'.

In effect, each year, Christians who are part of this organisation are ritually REJECTING the Messiah due to an erroneous man made teaching!

. . So, contrary to what the GB are telling us, all 18013 in 2016 did the right thing. They are all correctly partaking as Christians should. The so called mistakers are in fact bravely rejecting a man made teaching. Those mistakers 'I believe' are standing up and being counted (pardon the pun)

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My jaw dropping OMG moment at the end of the convention

by UnshackleTheChains in

yes folks.

over the past few days i can honestly say the convention was relatively quite good.

most of the talks, videos, symposiums were in line with scripture if you have faith in the bible.

UnshackleTheChains

Personally, I think Splane (or who ever is really in charge at the WTBTS) plagiarized that chart from this three year old thread on this forum

Jp1692

That's amazing lol. It really wouldn't surprise me.

One thing I do know having worked in some large organisations is that letters, emails and constructive criticism is ALWAYS considered. Its what large organisations do.

From my own experiences, change has come about by such. The pen is mightier than the sword.

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My jaw dropping OMG moment at the end of the convention

by UnshackleTheChains in

yes folks.

over the past few days i can honestly say the convention was relatively quite good.

most of the talks, videos, symposiums were in line with scripture if you have faith in the bible.

UnshackleTheChains

I actually laughed out loud when the speaker said, "we are 103 years into the 'short period of time'". I honestly thought it was meant as a self-deprecating joke. Probably not, I thought I heard others laugh too, but maybe imagined it.

Slimboyfat,

you summed up this talk really well. I also had to control myself. I just found the first half incredible and also noticed that the speaker didn't seem convinced by what he was saying during the first 30 minutes. I would love to know what he was truly thinking.

To put the cherry on the icing, having tight pants Tony telling us all the the GB loves us sounded patronising. Where was the mention about Jesus loving us???

The older guy in front of me who I am aquanted with appeared to sigh a number of times at some of the points you mentioned. It was quite noticeable. I have reason to believe he is awake as commented during the break about the 'happy jolly music' and giving a funny facial expression. I joked with him about it.

I also noticed quite an increase in brothers sporting beards. These brothers are bravely making a statement to the GB ie it's perfectly natural and normal for men to grow beards. Change is taking place my Friend.

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My jaw dropping OMG moment at the end of the convention

by UnshackleTheChains in

yes folks.

over the past few days i can honestly say the convention was relatively quite good.

most of the talks, videos, symposiums were in line with scripture if you have faith in the bible.

UnshackleTheChains

Maybe we need Brother Splane to splane the number of overlapping partakers and faketakers with a chart and a pointing stick

Well given there is somewhere in the region of 14000 or so individuals who ate and drank at this year's memorial; at least half of these must be faketakers and the other half partakers. 😯. Brother Splane needs to exchange his stick for a magic wand to work this all out!

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My jaw dropping OMG moment at the end of the convention

by UnshackleTheChains in

yes folks.

over the past few days i can honestly say the convention was relatively quite good.

most of the talks, videos, symposiums were in line with scripture if you have faith in the bible.

UnshackleTheChains

Yes folks. Over the past few days I can honestly say the Convention was relatively quite good. Most of the talks, videos, symposiums were in line with scripture if you have faith in the bible. Yes there was the blame it on the rank and file video and reference to 1975; the no mincing of words talk about safeguarding children from what is evil.

However, the very last talk 'Keep in expectation...it will not be late' blew everything else out of the water.

The brother mentioned 3 or 4 questions to which he gave what sounded like answers that made the Governing Body sound infallible. (Sorry I didn't take notes)

The speaker dogmatically mentions the important year 607bce about 3 or 4 times. He mentions 1914 a couple of times, 1919, and even mentions the generation and refers to brother Splanes very good explanation and diagram on JW.org 🙄

He then mentions how we are 103 years into Christ's kingdom reign and brings out Daniel chapter 12 about Michael being Jesus Christ.

Whilst I was sitting there thinking how incredibly good the GB are at weaving bible truths with delusional errors, suddenly the clanger of all clangers comes along. I actually sat forward in my seat with my jaw virtually hitting the floor in disbelief at what was said.

It was the speakers reference to the partakers at the memorial. He rhetorically asks if it mattered about the number of partakers at this year's memorial? He then goes on to explain more or less that the number of partakers doesn't matter as some of these ones have partaken by mistake? But that everything is still on track regarding God's timing for the end of this system, that it will not be late.

Like What did he just say?????????

I looked around thinking are intelligent individuals in the audience really buying this nonsense.

Am still in disbelief!

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Speaking of the 144,000...................

by The Fall Guy in

...........why would an all-powerful christ, whom the bible describes as having been given "all authority", need 144,000 other king/priests as "helpers" to run his universal organization?

(matthew 28:18) .

1 corinthians 15:25 - "for he [not 144,000] must rule as king until god has put all enemies under his feet.".

UnshackleTheChains

So much for the paradise earth - if we need to rely on Tight Pants Tony et al to empathise & comfort us.

Ah you're being too harsh. Old tight pants Tony made a short appearance during the last talk today. He said that the GB loves each and every one of us 🤒

If you read every other Bible translation at Rev 5:10, it says ...rule on (upon) the earth'. Which appears to indicate that Christians will rule as kings and priest along with Christ ON the earth. The NWT says 'over' the earth which is misleading.