Posts by UnshackleTheChains

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Grocery Store conversation with an elder

by problemaddict 2 in

i'm inactive here to the local jw's as i have faded.

i've been slandered and all that, shunned by some but not all, but the elders basically leave me alone.

i still run into to people all over though.

UnshackleTheChains

Ha ha. Frank wasn't able to get past that conversation stopper 🍌 😂😂

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The upcoming protest at Warwick on November 5th

by UnshackleTheChains in

hey all.. just saw this video about the upcoming protest at warwick on november 5th.

it looks like some momentum is building up to it.

but what i really want to know is will it have much impact?

Just saw this video about the upcoming protest at Warwick on November 5th. It looks like some momentum is building up to it. But what I really want to know is will it have much impact? I truly hope it does!

If the media get a hold of the story...perhaps? I actually do really hope the protest is successful and that it brings attention to the plight many thousands of ex witnesses are experiencing right now, and indeed those who have suffered in the past.

I hope this protest will wake up the leadership of Watchtower so that they realise enough is enough and that they need to change, they need to reform their policies and teachings that have brought about so much pain and hurt.

The ex jw community is in a great position to stand up and make it known that Watchtower cannot continue burying their heads in the sand. Its time to take their heads out of the sand and to start showing some Christian compassion.

Advertise, Advertise, Advertise the the truth about the Governing Body and the Watchtower Corporation

I wish all those taking part the best of luck.

https://youtu.be/64xHcoOWR6Y

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Why referring to Watchtower as 'the Borg' is so apt!

by UnshackleTheChains in

it's interesting that when watchtower is referred to as the borg, it immediately brings to mind the scenes where individuals such as captain piccard are held prisoner within a vast collective hive type prison and unable to leave.

they are then turned into drones.

in fact here is how wikipedia explains it.. the borg are a fictional alien group that appear as recurring antagonists in the star trek franchise.

UnshackleTheChains

It's interesting that when Watchtower is referred to as the Borg, it immediately brings to mind the scenes where individuals such as Captain Piccard are held prisoner within a vast collective hive type prison and unable to leave. They are then turned into drones. In fact here is how Wikipedia explains it.

The Borg are a fictional alien group that appear as recurring antagonists in the Star Trek franchise. The Borg are a vast collection of "drones", or cybernetic organisms linked in a hive mind called "the Collective", or "the Hive". The Borg annex the technology and knowledge of other alien species to the Collective via a process of "assimilation": forcibly transforming individual beings into drones by violently injecting microscopic machines, or nanoprobes, into their bodies and surgically augmenting them with cybernetic components. The Borg's ultimate goal is "achieving perfection

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borg_(Star_Trek)

'The Borg' is a fitting expression for the watchtower organisation. At first it all seems so harmless, but then after a time having been injected with Watchtower teachings, we find ourselves turned into drones. When we realise we are enmeshed, it is too late. We are held in a captive state. Freedom seems almost impossible for many. No way out for some. Like many, I have been sadly assimilated by the borg 😓

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The boys in Pennsylvania- The real power behind Watchtower

by UnshackleTheChains in

i am quite interested in something mike and kim said in their video when talking about why their you tube videos are being taken down.

in their video below, at around 35 seconds.

mike say's that he has being trying to tell people that the boys in pennsylvania are the real power behind watchtower - not the governing body?.

UnshackleTheChains

So the "boys in Penn" act on the word of those whom they follow, and are in a leadership role only in as much as they fullfilling the dictates they have received and proven themselves loyal to the religion to be in that position. Anything beyond that kind of just borders on conspiracy theory

Thanks everyone for your responses on this thread. I had wanted to respond sooner, but have been so busy.

problemmaddict. I can see where you are coming from. However, 7 men at the forefront of the Watchtower corporation can only do so much. It makes absolute sense they have powerful advisors such as qualified lawyers, and businessmen in the background steering the ship to avoid stormy seas ahead (eg legal battles/lawsuits/building projects etc). It all goes hand in hand.

A prime example is the pope of Rome. Is he running the entire Catholic church singlehanded? Are all his views, ideas, dictates immediately put in place? I would hardly think so. Some perhaps, but not all. The Catholic church will have its own powerful men pulling many important strings. The GB is our collective pope like leadership in a manner of speaking.

Given what I have seen on JW broadcasting, I don't see any outstanding astute hawks or powerful men among the GB. I only see what amounts to a figurehead at the very top of the organisation. The friendly face of watchtower. In fact I view it the same way I view the queen of England. She is a figurehead for the country, but not the actual individual running the country. She will be advised on just about everything.

As Newly Enlightened said...'the Board of Directors in PA are the power & money'......they mention they were informed of this by someone who used to work at the Pennsylvania corporation after they had defected.

I believe there is credibility to what Mike and Kim are saying. I find it all very fascinating. As someone who has actively been trying to change policy through letter writing over the years, such information is important; it is in fact vital. Highlighting issues with the right people could or can make a difference.

I would personally like to thank Mike and Kim for highlighting this and bringing it to people's attention!

Also a very big thanks to Darkspilver for all the information you provided. I will be keeping all of this for reference.

Thanks again

UTC

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The boys in Pennsylvania- The real power behind Watchtower

by UnshackleTheChains in

i am quite interested in something mike and kim said in their video when talking about why their you tube videos are being taken down.

in their video below, at around 35 seconds.

mike say's that he has being trying to tell people that the boys in pennsylvania are the real power behind watchtower - not the governing body?.

UnshackleTheChains

I know the matter has now been clarified, but can I suggest that you could have made it clear in your OP what the main focus was because - inadvertently - prominence is given to Mikey and Kim - especially the first sentence mentioning the threat of their being shut down

Steve2

Thanks for your response and appreciate your feedback. I get your point and will consider how I write up my OPs in future.

As an individual who wants to see change within the organisation, my hope is that my efforts and the efforts of everyone else can in some way affect change. As a father and a husband, I want the best for my family. I worry about what I consider the hard line approach Watchtower is taking in their interpretation or brand of Christianity. As an ex Catholic who joined what I thought was a wonderful loving Christian faith group, I believed everything; and I mean everything that emanated from the WTB&TS.

Sadly. It wasn't until I accidentally came across the 607 debacle on line when the internet first started coming to prominence, that I gradually started to awaken to the truth.

My world changed. The internet led me to crisis of conscience and the rest is history.

The organisation needs to change. Every individual can make a difference. All the organisation has to do is accept they made mistakes and reform. They need to reform. People have been hurt for far too long. Christianity is about love and peace, not division and hate.

My hope is that somewhere within the ranks of the leadership, hearts will be opened and change will come. I pray for this.

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The boys in Pennsylvania- The real power behind Watchtower

by UnshackleTheChains in

i am quite interested in something mike and kim said in their video when talking about why their you tube videos are being taken down.

in their video below, at around 35 seconds.

mike say's that he has being trying to tell people that the boys in pennsylvania are the real power behind watchtower - not the governing body?.

UnshackleTheChains

Also a big thank you to Zeb for the link 😉

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The boys in Pennsylvania- The real power behind Watchtower

by UnshackleTheChains in

i am quite interested in something mike and kim said in their video when talking about why their you tube videos are being taken down.

in their video below, at around 35 seconds.

mike say's that he has being trying to tell people that the boys in pennsylvania are the real power behind watchtower - not the governing body?.

UnshackleTheChains

Thanks to Jaydee,, truth B known and diogenesister for your information.

Much appreciated 😁

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The boys in Pennsylvania- The real power behind Watchtower

by UnshackleTheChains in

i am quite interested in something mike and kim said in their video when talking about why their you tube videos are being taken down.

in their video below, at around 35 seconds.

mike say's that he has being trying to tell people that the boys in pennsylvania are the real power behind watchtower - not the governing body?.

UnshackleTheChains

So, what does this have to do with the threat of Mike and Kim's YouTube site being taken down?

We've had perhaps two maybe three different new topics on this in recent weeks - and one conclusion is that they have repeatedly ignored demands to cease using so much copyrighted material

Steve2

This thread was not about whether Mike and Kim infringed on copyrighted material or not. If they have, they have; if they haven't, they haven't. So be it.

My point was Mikey's reference to the 'boys in Pennsylvania'. The lawyers, the policy makers, the accountants who are the power behind Watchtower. I was just curious to find out more information on this, that's all!

....and to be honest, I have personally found the responses on this thread fascinating. An eye opener from my stand point. It would explain why my letters and those of others are not responded to AND/OR fobbed off with what appears to be a generic type letter advising individuals to read some old Watchtower somewhere! or to speak to their elders with their concerns etc. This in itself appears to be policy!!

In the organisation I work for, which is a very large UK wide organisation, they actually encourage feedback on everything from its members. They make changes as and when required and benefits the organisation.

Organisations thrive on constructive feedback. That's no secret!

Watchtower doesn't allow constructive feedback. That's why they are being hammered in the media and at hearings such as the ARC over all the unnecessary controversies they have brought on themselves.

No members are allowed to question anything around policies and teachings, particularly when such policies or teachings are glaringly wrong, unfair or harmful to its members!

If it is the case that the people pulling all the strings for Watchtower are indeed the 'boys in Pennsylvania' as Mikey calls them,; then it is they who we should be corresponding with in relation to writing our concerns/ giving constructive feedback/efforts to affect change in policy/teaching etc

That was my point for this thread.

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The boys in Pennsylvania- The real power behind Watchtower

by UnshackleTheChains in

i am quite interested in something mike and kim said in their video when talking about why their you tube videos are being taken down.

in their video below, at around 35 seconds.

mike say's that he has being trying to tell people that the boys in pennsylvania are the real power behind watchtower - not the governing body?.

UnshackleTheChains

The Presiding Overseer told me that the second one if a secondary corporation in charge of the legal department for the WB&TS.

Eventually they wanted to distance themselves from the idea that a corporation was in charge of God's earthly organization and started sending letters from "The Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses

Truth B Known

You said you were 15 when you saw the letter heads on the two letters. Out of interest, what year was that? and do you know when they started using the letterhead 'Christian' congregation of Jehovah's witnesses

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The boys in Pennsylvania- The real power behind Watchtower

by UnshackleTheChains in

i am quite interested in something mike and kim said in their video when talking about why their you tube videos are being taken down.

in their video below, at around 35 seconds.

mike say's that he has being trying to tell people that the boys in pennsylvania are the real power behind watchtower - not the governing body?.

UnshackleTheChains

This was a man made religion from the start and it has used it`s influence over Gulilble people to build itself into a multi-million dollar publishing empire over the western world

Smiddy

Thank you for this point. It appears that this seems to be the case. I sent several letters under an alias name with a fake email address to the GB about their controversial policies. Not once did I get a reply. In fact one of those letters was in my real name and address and yet they didn't reply. It appears to be their policy to either fob people of with a generic read a Watchtower or two; or to simply not reply to letters.

I have no doubt in my mind this is a policy put in place by the boys in Pennsylvania.

Diogenesister

Can you remember which broadcast William Malenfant was on most recently? Just out of curiosity.

Thanks for all your replies everyone. 😋