Posts by JakeM2012

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What was the 2012 convention drama all about?

by What Now? in

with all of the hype surrounding sparlock ... i didn't see anyone post anything about the sunday drama at the convention.. my husband and i decided that we were only going to attend the sunday of the convention.

we drove down, but got cold feet and we ended up going out for coffee and hitting up the local shopping mall, heading over to the convention for lunch to show our faces, then taking off home for the afternoon.

it was a good day ;).

JakeM2012

wannabefree, what is the key to listening to the drama. I have never been able to view anything or listen to the ivivid.???

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First potential relationship since leaving WT, and I've been well screwed over.

by ronweasley in

hi all i'm new to this, i joined because from what i can see this is the best ex jw forum out there.. anyway i'm male, 20, live in uk and left the wtbts after 2 years of being a student.. there was this girl called natalya and she has really took me on one hell of a ride.

she was very helpful in my exit, because she often had debates with me and tried again and again to help me see sense.

anyway we dated before i found the truth and to be honest, i never really stopped having these feelings for her even though we fell out a few times.

JakeM2012

Been there, done that, and bought the tee-shirt.

Welcome to some really cool rush of feelings then the crash and burn. Personally, I would ignore her, and move on. Sometimes this makes her realize that you have another life also. She could have been toying with your feelings by visiting with the other guy, trying to get you jealous, but if she indeed did sleep with him, that is going a bit too far to create jealous feelings from you. Other thoughts, she may asked you to go to the party so that she didn't go alone and look desperate.

Just keep stepping up to the plate and you will find the right one.

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This morning I emailed my Mother and completed Bared My Soul!

by iclone in

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JakeM2012

iclone, you have a PM. Thanks

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This morning I emailed my Mother and completed Bared My Soul!

by iclone in

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JakeM2012

Thanks

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This morning I emailed my Mother and completed Bared My Soul!

by iclone in

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JakeM2012

Great letter, I can appreciate your frustration. Personally, I think this could be the key for captives to unlock the trance. However, rank and file jw's must appreciate the advice from the legal department to not encourage or discourage notifying appropriate authorities. I believe that many are still in disbelief that the WTBTS would even attempt to cover this conduct up. I have spoke with my wife who has not attended a meeting in years, and she asked "why do you think the elders would cover this up" more or less?

I think that there are some "company" men that would do whatever they were told by the lawyers. I think there are also elders that probably did what they were told to do but did not like the limitations of informing others be it the congregation or the legal authorities. I think that the herd attitude has exasperated this situation along with alot of old school ideas as many are present today. The threat of doing what the legal department said or lose your "privileges" is also a threat. Some "elders" just can't live without a title. But hey, if you are janitor or window washer where else can you go and receive the perceived respect than the local congregation of jw/s.

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Any suggestions on handling financial abuse of a senior by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society?

by Balaamsass in

does anyone here have any suggestions on handling financial abuse of a senior by the watchtower bible and tract society?

mom gave a lot of money to the watchtower bible and tract society over her lifetime- (6 figures).

after she ran low on funds she made a 5 figure "conditional loan" to wtb&ts.

JakeM2012

Bumping, years ago an elderly brother loaned some money to wt. He wrote that he wanted it back. They sent him a form to sign that said the loan was paid off but there was NOT a check. This older brother was sharp, got a savvy business man who also was a local elder and the elder wrote letters that he had not been paid. How can he sign the letter? They replied that they did not want to release the funds unless they had a signature. The elder wrote back to wt and said send the letter and the check to us and we will make sure that the transaction takes place and that you have your signiture.

Looking back on this and seeing how this is a continual problem and that you will never read a letter to the BOE about. The slaugtering of the sheep continues.

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How do you think the W.T.S will spin the Candace Conti case to the R&F???

by karter in

the cats well and truly out of the bag and even the r&f are all going to know about it soon.. .

will they blame her?.

blame satan?.

JakeM2012

"There is a big difference, however, which might upset WTS calculations: the Internet. People no longer depend on hard copy newspaper, magazines, and pamphlets for information. They are also turning less and less to telvised news programs. The Internet has emerged as the preferred news source for many, especially the younger generation."

Interesting when a new technology makes old technology obsolete. Business plans are trashed, happens all the time.

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Those who WERE or ARE Elders (Re: Molestation Coverup)

by dontplaceliterature in

i'd like to hear from those who are currently elders or were formerly elders on your honest feelings about the charges brought against the society and their general policy in handling these matters.

do you think that the society handles child abuse accusations fairly?

or, do you think their policy is abusive?

JakeM2012

I don't remember a case of child abuse. I think their policy is obvious inadequate to protect children.

In one congregation a brother was arrested, convicted, and sent to prison for being a serial rapist. Duct tape and ski mask stuff. He was privately reproved by his congregation. My dad called and asked his PO what they were going to do with A-n-H, and the elder was upset. "How did you find out about it"? "I read it in the newspaper today." Years later he was appointed a MS and he didn't even have to move. We just rolled our eyes. When the BOE letter was sent in 98? about making a list of child molesters, we asked about reporting a serial rapist. CO said, "NO, just child molesters".

Elders School was practically 2 days of speakers reading off a manuscript continually saying "don't write anything to them about a specific case; and call the legal department, call the legal department, call the legal department". Oh, couldn't use a cell phone at that time either.

One brother after the elders school said "what wonderful new light from the governing body." I asked why did he feel that the governing body was leading when they continually said "call the legal department"? The lawyers and real estate agents are running the show.

I hope this is a wake up call before more children are ruined.

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From a currently serving elder: an open letter to the organization

by elderelite in

there are 1000's who who hate this religion who are stuck ....inside it.

we work against you, we use our position to convince and sway those that still drink your koolaid.

we feed info to authorities who chase you, we warn off potiential converts by directing them to the real truth.

JakeM2012

Butch Cassidy : "Don't sugarcoat it like that, Kid. Tell her straight."

Thanks for the post, keeps getting better every time I read it.

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From a currently serving elder: an open letter to the organization

by elderelite in

there are 1000's who who hate this religion who are stuck ....inside it.

we work against you, we use our position to convince and sway those that still drink your koolaid.

we feed info to authorities who chase you, we warn off potiential converts by directing them to the real truth.

JakeM2012

I got to the point that I could not let the younger (next) generation who I had a good repoire with would look to me as an example. Just the evidence that there are witnesses around for 50 years in the hall is too much encouragement for a young person. One circuit assembly they had parts about the youths giving up higher education and had several talk about their decision. They both sounded like that's not what they wanted to do but they were made to do it. I wanted to go to them privately and say go back to school before it is too late.