TD and Yanbiblian, thanks I'll try again. My wife is interested in hearing it also. She's waiting on me for over 15 years while I did congregation stuff.
JakeM2012
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What was the 2012 convention drama all about?
by What Now? inwith all of the hype surrounding sparlock ... i didn't see anyone post anything about the sunday drama at the convention.. my husband and i decided that we were only going to attend the sunday of the convention.
we drove down, but got cold feet and we ended up going out for coffee and hitting up the local shopping mall, heading over to the convention for lunch to show our faces, then taking off home for the afternoon.
it was a good day ;).
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WT Study for 6-17-12
by Bobcat ini did not see a thread on the 6-17-12 wt study article, so i thought i'd put this here.. .
this is just a thought on unquoted references that sheds a little "light" on why they are not sourced.. in paragraph 4 of the lesson it says: 'as one reference work states, it is "the sum total of the interior man.
"' it is referring to what the bible means when it speaks of the figurative heart.
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WT 1973 3/1 pp135/136
I remember as a young boy attending the wt study and considering this material and thought at the time this was total Bull. Talked to my parents and they didn't seem to get it, but at 10 I did. WT are total frauds, that think they are the cutting edge of pseudo-bible/science.
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Did anyone else get somewhat offended by the term "rank and file" that the WT attorney used.
by life is to short ini was just surprised by that term being used by jim mccabe when he said "jonathan kendrick was not a leader or a pastor, he was just a rank-and-file member.".
i thought that was only an apostate term and also what a put down to us lowly members.
we are just a rank-and-file person.
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rank and file
Cultural Dictionaryrank and file definition
The people who form the major portion of any group or organization, excluding the leaders: “The rumors of corruption at the top disturbed the party's rank and file.” This phrase comes from military usage, where enlisted men march in ranks (close abreast) and files (one behind another), whereas officers march outside these formations.
The American Heritage® New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition noun 1. the members of a group or organization apart from its leaders or officers. 2. rank 1 ( def. 7a ) . World English Dictionaryrank and file — n 1. the ordinary soldiers of an army, excluding the officers 2. the great mass or majority of any group or organization, as opposed to the leadership 3. ( modifier ) of, relating to, or characteristic of the rank and file: rank-and-file opinion ; rank-and-file support rank and filer — n -
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By the end of the year, what will the org look like ?
by mP inim predicting a loss in both numbers in the us and western countries with significant drop in hours preached particularly in the usa.. commetns ?
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Morbidzbaby,
Your dad is correct that new or reappointments are questioned. However, the wording is such that more or less like "is there anything that you have done since baptism or your last appointment that you would feel required a judical committee? Lots of wiggle room on that questioned. I don't ever remember them specifically asking about child abuse.
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What was the 2012 convention drama all about?
by What Now? inwith all of the hype surrounding sparlock ... i didn't see anyone post anything about the sunday drama at the convention.. my husband and i decided that we were only going to attend the sunday of the convention.
we drove down, but got cold feet and we ended up going out for coffee and hitting up the local shopping mall, heading over to the convention for lunch to show our faces, then taking off home for the afternoon.
it was a good day ;).
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wannabefree, what is the key to listening to the drama. I have never been able to view anything or listen to the ivivid.???
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First potential relationship since leaving WT, and I've been well screwed over.
by ronweasley inhi all i'm new to this, i joined because from what i can see this is the best ex jw forum out there.. anyway i'm male, 20, live in uk and left the wtbts after 2 years of being a student.. there was this girl called natalya and she has really took me on one hell of a ride.
she was very helpful in my exit, because she often had debates with me and tried again and again to help me see sense.
anyway we dated before i found the truth and to be honest, i never really stopped having these feelings for her even though we fell out a few times.
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Been there, done that, and bought the tee-shirt.
Welcome to some really cool rush of feelings then the crash and burn. Personally, I would ignore her, and move on. Sometimes this makes her realize that you have another life also. She could have been toying with your feelings by visiting with the other guy, trying to get you jealous, but if she indeed did sleep with him, that is going a bit too far to create jealous feelings from you. Other thoughts, she may asked you to go to the party so that she didn't go alone and look desperate.
Just keep stepping up to the plate and you will find the right one.
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This morning I emailed my Mother and completed Bared My Soul!
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iclone, you have a PM. Thanks
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This morning I emailed my Mother and completed Bared My Soul!
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JakeM2012
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This morning I emailed my Mother and completed Bared My Soul!
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JakeM2012
Great letter, I can appreciate your frustration. Personally, I think this could be the key for captives to unlock the trance. However, rank and file jw's must appreciate the advice from the legal department to not encourage or discourage notifying appropriate authorities. I believe that many are still in disbelief that the WTBTS would even attempt to cover this conduct up. I have spoke with my wife who has not attended a meeting in years, and she asked "why do you think the elders would cover this up" more or less?
I think that there are some "company" men that would do whatever they were told by the lawyers. I think there are also elders that probably did what they were told to do but did not like the limitations of informing others be it the congregation or the legal authorities. I think that the herd attitude has exasperated this situation along with alot of old school ideas as many are present today. The threat of doing what the legal department said or lose your "privileges" is also a threat. Some "elders" just can't live without a title. But hey, if you are janitor or window washer where else can you go and receive the perceived respect than the local congregation of jw/s.
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Any suggestions on handling financial abuse of a senior by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society?
by Balaamsass indoes anyone here have any suggestions on handling financial abuse of a senior by the watchtower bible and tract society?
mom gave a lot of money to the watchtower bible and tract society over her lifetime- (6 figures).
after she ran low on funds she made a 5 figure "conditional loan" to wtb&ts.
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Bumping, years ago an elderly brother loaned some money to wt. He wrote that he wanted it back. They sent him a form to sign that said the loan was paid off but there was NOT a check. This older brother was sharp, got a savvy business man who also was a local elder and the elder wrote letters that he had not been paid. How can he sign the letter? They replied that they did not want to release the funds unless they had a signature. The elder wrote back to wt and said send the letter and the check to us and we will make sure that the transaction takes place and that you have your signiture.
Looking back on this and seeing how this is a continual problem and that you will never read a letter to the BOE about. The slaugtering of the sheep continues.