The Doofy C.O. should have thanked the elder for informing him and just let it be, moved on and talked to others. I would say this showed weakness in the C.O., his authority, and his position.
JakeM2012
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Do Circuit Overseers outrank Elders? Why can't they talk to disfellowshipped people?
by garyneal inlast sunday, our family went to the kingdom hall and i realized that this was the week that the circuit overseer was in town.
when we sat down, i noticed he came over and talked to her then he walked away i guess to talk to others.
a few minutes later, he returned to tell her that he could not talk to her because he was informed that she was disfelloshipped.
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Reconnecting by chance after a respectful parting.
by Ayeitsbooboo ina bit of context on the situation that occurred 8 years ago.. i grew up with this woman.
beautiful person, not hat asthetically, just such a great human being.
we always had feeling for each other.
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Ireland
by berrygerry inhttps://www.businesspost.ie/news/concerns-grow-jehovahs-witnesses-irish-child-sex-abuse-files-421695.
concerns grow over jehovah’s witnesses irish child sex abuse files.
the sunday business post (ireland), sunday, july 22, 2018 - page 11. the jehovah’s witnesses have been urged to give the authorities potentially hundreds of documents related to child sex abuse in ireland over fears the organisation could be forced to delete them after a recent european court of justice ruling on the religion’s data-handling practices.. this month, the european court of justice ruled that the jehovah’s witnesses church was not exempt on any religious grounds from certain elements of the newly introduced gdpr data protection laws.. the jehovah's witnesses had argued that its practice of door-to-door preaching was covered by an exemption to the data protection law, but the court upheld an earlier decision by the finnish supreme court.. it now leaves the religion's irish and british headquarters - known at the watch tower - with a conundrum in relation to the potentially thousands of documents related to child abuse allegations in both countries, according to jason wynne, a former jehovah's witness who is now a campainger for awareness about instances of abuse within the religion.. wynne told the sunday business post that while the new law allows current and former jehovah's witnesses to request the deletion of files containing sensitive personal information, it could also "have a knock-on effect to their child abuse policies.".
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JakeM2012
And the Sharks circling WT that have taken a few bites, the blood brings more sharks to the dinner.
So, although the Catholic have their problems, they have it correct about the confession booth, it's private and untraceable.
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Are YOU Shunned By JW Family or Friends?
by minimus insome who are not disfellowshipped are still shunned i also know there’ are disfellowshipped ones that family still associate with..
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JakeM2012
I've moved on, they have moved on, we have little to nothing in common. If my Mom and I sat down together it would be a short conversation. Yes, I've been shunned for over a decade. However, in all honesty, I left town and started over and they could say that I had initiated it, by my exclusion of their authority in my life.
I had experienced a large portion of slander, lies, and other nonsense taking place within and from my family and family influencing hatred through the congregation after my Dad's death. When I found out how the opposition (family) was viciously intent on ruining me financially, my business, within the congregation, friendships, and wanted to break me and my wife up, I left town without a word. My brother even suggested suicide to me.
Up until a few years ago, I enjoyed regular conversations with my sister and her husband and felt she understood and agreed with my plight. The last time I tried to contact them I seriously believed that because of their silence there had been another accident or such. However, I got a short text that said, "Did you attend the Memorial this year?". Then a short time after that received a letter from my sister saying in effect, "What happened to you, you started out so spiritual?" I thought about sending a reply, but said, Why cast my pearls before swine? and give them more ammunition to hate as haters do.
The question I have is, Why does the shunning issue bother ex JW's so much? Yes, it sometimes is extreme, meaning, they can't even say hi at a grocery store, as if we are not of the same human race. They have made their decision to "listen, obey" and shut up, and we made our decision, end of story. At least my decision is based on the principles of integrity, honesty, truthfulness and other qualities that I have personally worked on and the facts of the behavior of the organization and their false teachings.
Am I perfect? No, not by any means. we all have our struggles. But, I don't claim to be God's sole channel to mankind either. I can live with myself in good conscience, sleep well at night, and carry on an authentic personal life instead of having some split personality that requires either alcohol in large doses or prescription drugs to live with myself.
If anyone, any religion, any group of men want to dictate that much control over my personal life but not accept the responsibility and the only payment is some far-fetched idea in the near/distant future? Then, I don't need them. I spent nearly 50 years listening to all the reasons that I wasn't good enough, that whatever I did, it was not enough and that I could and should have done more, that I was merely a good for nothing slave. Because of the negativeness and hatefulness in that religion, I have suffered mentally from depression, and physically from working myself to death, and not showing balance taking care of myself or my family, for what? For a tax-free real estate empire disguised as a religion.
There was one time in my life when going through the grieving process and the "season" from losing my Father to death, that I needed some supportive friends, spiritually upbuilding personally tailored for me. What did I experience? Basically, a mob beating, hoping I would die!
I experienced character assassination from my own fleshly brother. Even after I had supported him for over a decade financially while he "worked" in Bethel; he is a most aggressive bully, a liar of professional means, whom I have not met his equivalent since.
My so-called friends in the congregation? fellow elders that I had put my armor on and fought for them and their families when they were being viciously attacked by a rogue, arrogant, self-righteous group of elders? Even at my own financial detriment? (It's a long story) Because one of the attackers of their families were in business with me and my stance made me immediate enemies? I received absolutely nothing but more grief from these false friends, just as Job.
However, just as Job received double for his troubles, my life is now peaceful, without drama, malicious attacks or lying. I am not afraid of anyone or anything. I have faced the worst. At the time, I thought my actions resulted in a huge and permanent financial loss. However, I have gained it all back, and hope to shortly enjoy the second portion for my troubles. More than that, I can say I stand up for the right cause, (fill in the blank).
For all the grief I have been through, I just don't see it even worth it to discuss their "shunning". We all know, that Any relationship we had was false and conditional. It was as if we lived in a life full of smoke and mirrors, a carnival of professionals at slight of hand. All our time in this cult we were not able to distinguish what was the reality of thought, of friends, of "critical thinking", but here and now, some picking up the pieces trying to make some sense to it all, we are sitting here trying to decipher what aspects of the lie, the mirrors, the smoke was real?
We were in a paradigm of thoughts, that ended up as fictitious as Harry Potter. I don't even try to make sense of it anymore as if it was some futuristic chemical vacation we could take to some fantasy land in a doctors examination chair, just like in West World.
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"Jehovah's Organization"
by Wild_Thing ini was thinking about this phrase.
when you get baptized, you belong to "jehovah's organization".
when you go out in field service, you are.
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JakeM2012
Jehovah=WTBTS just read some of the wt articles and interchange the words. They are God!
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Are YouTube take-downs a "Waste of time"?
by Fay Dehr inhttps://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/8wwsqq/youtube_takedowns_a_waste_of_time/?utm_source=reddit-android.
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JakeM2012
I believe you have a group of people in Bethel that realize the religion is false. However, they have to perpetuate a necessary job to keep their services in demand. They have some of the nicest accommodations, food, tax free tips from wealthy publishers, and respect within their limited circle. Over the years I was surprised how many JWs in business would take financial advantage of their religion. All of the upper management is on it for a piece of the game. -
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Unwillingly I continue to annoy JWs
by Alex Bogdanov inhi, i have excellent news.
i posted here before that the book i wrote was published.
four months passed by since.
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JakeM2012
Well, that's great! Everything CT Russell, J F Rutherford, and Freddy Franz wrote was fictional also.
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JakeM2012
Yes, the pack of lips. I love it!
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Jesus with an iPad. Really?
by punkofnice inat a local meeting, one of the elders said that if jesus were on the earth today 'you can be sure' he would be preaching by showing videos on a tablet.. i kid you not.. i wonder what videos he'd be playing?.
obviously this was the elder's own pet theory.
wasn't it?.
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JakeM2012
I don't think he would be using an iPad to preach. In his life, people approached him without much preaching done, meaning the Sermon on the Mount was his biggest event. (Correct me if I'm wrong.) People approached him for healing themselves, their sick family members and others, and for meals from a boy's few fish.
Today, Jesus would have a more direct media than JW.org. Jw's think this is the ultimate; the society has a website. Big Deal!!! He probably would have a more direct media like Joel Osteen, satellite TV, and radio. Or, since everyone has smartphones, to send a message of hope when you are having difficult times, sending a text message just before you sinned, etc. I have to laugh at witnesses trying to impose their current habits into scripture based precedence like the early church members had book bags. Riiiiiight!
I wonder if Jesus would use Twitter or Instagram or any of the other apps to further his preaching work. Seems, he has personally been silent for 2000 years. However, if you want to consider other avenues than JW.org website, or their not at home to not at home then to Starbucks coffee work, or useless advertising with the carts while they use their smartphones while ignoring everyone, God is here every day in our lives.
If WTBTS owned an airline like Lufthansa, Jesus would have flown it exclusively. If WTBTS was a hotel owner, guess where Jesus would have stayed, in a manger? No, the approved WTBTS list of approved hotels. I guess he would have used Uber to get him locally from one place to another, all the while sending updates on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, and we could go one but you get the idea.
I believe the WTBTS organization has truly lost their sense of direction, trying to point to themselves all the time and how they alone are God's sole channel to mankind in these modern times. If God does have a direct channel of communication to mankind, I hope they are on the right frequency, because it doesn't seem so with WTBTS. Just Saying.
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So What Drastic Money Change is Next?
by OnTheWayOut inokay, they cheapened the product by getting rid of hardcover books.
they reduced printing of mags.
they drastically reduced the number of pieces of printed paper that members would "place" in people's hands in various ways, the biggest one being that they put them on a cart and don't encourage people to take them.they cut d.o.
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JakeM2012
The issue is that no one is buying their product anymore and they can't sell it. Joel Osteen seems to be doing well he doesn't mention money much, he just encourages and empowers people to be their best. Perhaps they should change their message. A CO said to me years ago, "JW's have everything wrong, they need to scrap it and start over".