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  Bring on the YOUNG elders

  by enoughisenough in

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  there seems to be a push to fast track the younger men to become elders.

  beings jesus was 30 when he took up his ministry, i would think that would sort of be an age gauge...the older men were to have their children in subjection, so some were old enough to have children that were old enough to want to rebel.

  ( that's my slant ) how will the ones who have been jw for years respond to being counseled by those younger than some of their grandchildren?

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  enoughisenough

  there seems to be a push to fast track the younger men to become Elders. Beings Jesus was 30 when he took up his ministry, I would think that would sort of be an age gauge...The older men were to have their children in subjection, so some were old enough to have children that were old enough to want to rebel.( that's my slant ) How will the ones who have been JW for years respond to being counseled by those younger than some of their grandchildren?

  Besides all JW know what to do to solve their problems: read the Bible, pray, go to meetings, preach and obey the GB.
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  Have you driven in a country that drives on the opposite side of the road?

  by FondaCox in

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  did you drive?

  if so, how nerve wracking was it for you?

  i'd be terrified i'd stop concentrating for a moment and out of habit make a right turn at a red light into oncoming traffic.

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  enoughisenough

  I personally drove on the wrong side( sort of) of the road once. It was very strange. There was a gas station not far from my home, I bought gas, and when I pulled out of the station onto the road, I literally could not remember which side of the road to drive on. My thought was I don't have far to go and I will just straddle the road and get out of the way if a car is coming towards me. Very odd...I was in my 20's.
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  Have you driven in a country that drives on the opposite side of the road?

  by FondaCox in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  did you drive?

  if so, how nerve wracking was it for you?

  i'd be terrified i'd stop concentrating for a moment and out of habit make a right turn at a red light into oncoming traffic.

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  enoughisenough

  I was a passenger in the Virgin Islands...we rented a vehicle to traverse St Johns...One fellow drove in the morning and Mr x was teasing him about his driving...all in good fun. Well booze was cheap enough and by dark, the morning driver who had been drinking on and off all day wasn't a safe bet on the driving. So Mr x drove to our lodging and the morning driver was making fun and mocking his driving but in a malicious way. ( I called him out on it and told him to apolgise to Mr x, which he said he would but never did. ) (4 of us had gone to St. Thomas to work and I had negotiated the job and was responsible for the others- and I really did have to baby sit 3 adults!-another story!)
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  2022 convention stand-outs, clift notes, comments?? the good, the bad, the ugly...

  by enoughisenough in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  here is the thing: i tried several times to watch the convention...i just couldn't seem to forge ahead with it.

  the reason i wanted to was to be able to engage in conversation about it with some of my old friends that communicate by phone that don't know i have disassociated.

  i want to be able to slip in seeds of doubt, but at the same time i have to seem a bit current...) so i welcome to know any take outs, commentary, good or bad, or the video plots, etc.

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  The Sunday morning symposium where they were so Covid afraid was ridiculous. Covid is done. why show things like that?

  I watched that clip...I saw the emotional blackmail... what I also saw and heard was follow Jehovah's direction --they put that out there like the masking came from Jehovah when it was secular organizations and some even overstepping their boundaries...
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  making out like a bandit

  by enoughisenough in

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  here is a practice i only recently learned about and am actually interested in learning more details...some of you may have experience on the subject.

  i always thought it marvelous, loving, and kind how the brothers would go in ( at their own expense) after disasters and repair homes of the witnesses who had been adversely effected.

  i personally have worked freely helping to clean and repair after flooding.

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  so I was listening to a reading from Raymond Franz book In Search of Christian Freedom. This reading was about the donation arrangement which I remembered thinking was a great thing back when. That being said, that literature still got paid for and more! I always donated for the literature-sometimes more than I would have purchased the old literature for. I gave all donation received at the doors to the contribution. They were always reminding us to ask for the donations -which was neither here nor there to me-I might casually bring it up but in such a way to make sure they knew I was happy to give it to them. So this is what I learned from the book reading: the literature wasn't on a donation basis in all countries. Some of the JW in poorer countries still had to pay per copy as we did before the donation arrangement. The thing about the donation arrangment which we weren't told was it was all about not paying taxes on the money collected for literature.In the countries ( seemingly more productive ) they governments wanted tax on literature bought and sold. So this legal loophole they created kept them from paying taxes on the literature and they got more in donations than they would have in the old methods.
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  Private and Prayerful Deliberations!?

  by Lost in the fog in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  it is more likely that the notes will have the elders' doodles and scribbles in the margin rather than any evidence of prayerful deliberation.

  or maybe it's just a ploy to give the boe more time to open the blue envelope and sanitise the content.

  we'll have to wait and see what happens, if anything.. https://www.nsnews.com/bc-news/bc-jehovahs-witnesses-challenge-record-production-order-in-court-5691559.

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  I never did like the idea that the congregations kept a record about you and you have no clue what they may be forwarding to then next congregation. My understanding now is those records get purged every 5 years...don't know for sure ( maybe they overlap.) I do recall people moving into a congregation I was in in WV and in no time the elders were in their business so to speak...so it isn't like you can start with a clean slate- unless maybe you are an elder that they privately corrected for messing with kids ( yeah, I know I'm bad ) I knew of one brother who moved to another congregation and years later became able to see the "files" and got to read the very uncomplimentary things that had been written about him. My now passed husband's record was totally lost on it's transit from one congregation to another so he became non existant in a way...He was unhappy and blamed me because I had given elders the congregation name .Many of us would likely be shocked if we knew what was written about us. I wonder how many would become baptized if they knew a secret record was going to be kept about them.
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  2022 convention stand-outs, clift notes, comments?? the good, the bad, the ugly...

  by enoughisenough in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  here is the thing: i tried several times to watch the convention...i just couldn't seem to forge ahead with it.

  the reason i wanted to was to be able to engage in conversation about it with some of my old friends that communicate by phone that don't know i have disassociated.

  i want to be able to slip in seeds of doubt, but at the same time i have to seem a bit current...) so i welcome to know any take outs, commentary, good or bad, or the video plots, etc.

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  I had seen a couple of youtube videos where he was calling babies enemies of God and my thought was about Jesus saying to allow the little children to come to him...Jesus never considered them enemies. If I had been a parent there with a baby, I would have been crushed. So what does that mean for the parents? Are they to be able to punish the children more or get them baptized earlier so as to "save" them? What thoughts and feelings when viewing that?
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  making out like a bandit

  by enoughisenough in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  here is a practice i only recently learned about and am actually interested in learning more details...some of you may have experience on the subject.

  i always thought it marvelous, loving, and kind how the brothers would go in ( at their own expense) after disasters and repair homes of the witnesses who had been adversely effected.

  i personally have worked freely helping to clean and repair after flooding.

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  Atlantis, is the Pegasus a website, a youtube, etc? not familiar with it...I am interested in how that scheme works.
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  2022 convention stand-outs, clift notes, comments?? the good, the bad, the ugly...

  by enoughisenough in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  here is the thing: i tried several times to watch the convention...i just couldn't seem to forge ahead with it.

  the reason i wanted to was to be able to engage in conversation about it with some of my old friends that communicate by phone that don't know i have disassociated.

  i want to be able to slip in seeds of doubt, but at the same time i have to seem a bit current...) so i welcome to know any take outs, commentary, good or bad, or the video plots, etc.

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  enoughisenough

  Here is the thing: I tried several times to watch the convention...I just couldn't seem to forge ahead with it. The reason I wanted to was to be able to engage in conversation about it with some of my old friends that communicate by phone that don't know I have disassociated. I want to be able to slip in seeds of doubt, but at the same time I have to seem a bit current...) So I welcome to know any take outs, commentary, good or bad, or the video plots, etc. Message me if you prefer. editing in a thought here...if you remember what part of the convention your take out is from, mention it...as I may be able to force myself to watch some of the context.
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  New and improved?

  by tenyearsafter in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have a family member who had been df'ed for 15 years or so...recently they reinstated as a jw.

  when i asked what motivated them to make that decision, the response was to be able to see family and old friends.

  they insisted that things were different now.

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  enoughisenough

  stan livedeath

  if i apply to be reinstated--will i have to give up atheism ? Its kinda easy that way. Like being one of Jehovah.s Unwitnesses.

  belief in the governing body is more important than God. If the Bible says one thing and the GB another, you have to believe the GB. seems like you should be good to go!