Posts by enoughisenough

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New and improved?

by tenyearsafter in

i have a family member who had been df'ed for 15 years or so...recently they reinstated as a jw.

when i asked what motivated them to make that decision, the response was to be able to see family and old friends.

they insisted that things were different now.

" seems written for the uneducated" I have found this to be true now for years...It is insulting to most intelligence. What is it-written on a second grade level? Then the updates-the presenters speak like you were talking to 2 year olds. Just my take.

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2022 convention stand-outs, clift notes, comments?? the good, the bad, the ugly...

by enoughisenough in

here is the thing: i tried several times to watch the convention...i just couldn't seem to forge ahead with it.

the reason i wanted to was to be able to engage in conversation about it with some of my old friends that communicate by phone that don't know i have disassociated.

i want to be able to slip in seeds of doubt, but at the same time i have to seem a bit current...) so i welcome to know any take outs, commentary, good or bad, or the video plots, etc.

enoughisenough

" barbecuing steaks" I enlarged the photo and it looks like length wise slices of butternut sqash to me.

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2 outrageous quotes from The WT Society

by GabeAthouse in

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"can the ethiopian change his skin?

", feb. 15, 1904 watch tower.

we answer, no.

enoughisenough

a thought while reading the comments: people don't seem to be satisfied with the color of their skin or hair. White people will ruin their health in tanning bed or broiling in the hot sun. At conventions, I would see the white sisters with dark tans . I would see white sisters in black hosiery and I would see black sisters in white hosiery. Some of the white gals had perms that tightly curled their hair while the blacks straigthened their hair. I am not faulting anyone...I love the diversity and see beauty no matter the skin color. I liked a comment from Patti Labelle on racism: we all bleed and we all pee.My grandfather would tell us what our ancestory is: English, Irish, Dutch, and Devil -LOL ///I watched a video yesterday where a youtuber went into the old hidden literature and showed a paragraph ( paraphasing ) that for the most part blacks were uneducated and couldn't understand the literature, so in only special circumstance should they have it because if was too valuable for to be wasted on them.

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Bring on the YOUNG elders

by enoughisenough in

there seems to be a push to fast track the younger men to become elders.

beings jesus was 30 when he took up his ministry, i would think that would sort of be an age gauge...the older men were to have their children in subjection, so some were old enough to have children that were old enough to want to rebel.

( that's my slant ) how will the ones who have been jw for years respond to being counseled by those younger than some of their grandchildren?

enoughisenough

there seems to be a push to fast track the younger men to become Elders. Beings Jesus was 30 when he took up his ministry, I would think that would sort of be an age gauge...The older men were to have their children in subjection, so some were old enough to have children that were old enough to want to rebel.( that's my slant ) How will the ones who have been JW for years respond to being counseled by those younger than some of their grandchildren?

Besides all JW know what to do to solve their problems: read the Bible, pray, go to meetings, preach and obey the GB.

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Have you driven in a country that drives on the opposite side of the road?

by FondaCox in

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did you drive?

if so, how nerve wracking was it for you?

i'd be terrified i'd stop concentrating for a moment and out of habit make a right turn at a red light into oncoming traffic.

enoughisenough

I personally drove on the wrong side( sort of) of the road once. It was very strange. There was a gas station not far from my home, I bought gas, and when I pulled out of the station onto the road, I literally could not remember which side of the road to drive on. My thought was I don't have far to go and I will just straddle the road and get out of the way if a car is coming towards me. Very odd...I was in my 20's.

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Have you driven in a country that drives on the opposite side of the road?

by FondaCox in

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did you drive?

if so, how nerve wracking was it for you?

i'd be terrified i'd stop concentrating for a moment and out of habit make a right turn at a red light into oncoming traffic.

enoughisenough

I was a passenger in the Virgin Islands...we rented a vehicle to traverse St Johns...One fellow drove in the morning and Mr x was teasing him about his driving...all in good fun. Well booze was cheap enough and by dark, the morning driver who had been drinking on and off all day wasn't a safe bet on the driving. So Mr x drove to our lodging and the morning driver was making fun and mocking his driving but in a malicious way. ( I called him out on it and told him to apolgise to Mr x, which he said he would but never did. ) (4 of us had gone to St. Thomas to work and I had negotiated the job and was responsible for the others- and I really did have to baby sit 3 adults!-another story!)

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2022 convention stand-outs, clift notes, comments?? the good, the bad, the ugly...

by enoughisenough in

here is the thing: i tried several times to watch the convention...i just couldn't seem to forge ahead with it.

the reason i wanted to was to be able to engage in conversation about it with some of my old friends that communicate by phone that don't know i have disassociated.

i want to be able to slip in seeds of doubt, but at the same time i have to seem a bit current...) so i welcome to know any take outs, commentary, good or bad, or the video plots, etc.

enoughisenough

The Sunday morning symposium where they were so Covid afraid was ridiculous. Covid is done. why show things like that?

I watched that clip...I saw the emotional blackmail... what I also saw and heard was follow Jehovah's direction --they put that out there like the masking came from Jehovah when it was secular organizations and some even overstepping their boundaries...

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making out like a bandit

by enoughisenough in

here is a practice i only recently learned about and am actually interested in learning more details...some of you may have experience on the subject.

i always thought it marvelous, loving, and kind how the brothers would go in ( at their own expense) after disasters and repair homes of the witnesses who had been adversely effected.

i personally have worked freely helping to clean and repair after flooding.

enoughisenough

so I was listening to a reading from Raymond Franz book In Search of Christian Freedom. This reading was about the donation arrangement which I remembered thinking was a great thing back when. That being said, that literature still got paid for and more! I always donated for the literature-sometimes more than I would have purchased the old literature for. I gave all donation received at the doors to the contribution. They were always reminding us to ask for the donations -which was neither here nor there to me-I might casually bring it up but in such a way to make sure they knew I was happy to give it to them. So this is what I learned from the book reading: the literature wasn't on a donation basis in all countries. Some of the JW in poorer countries still had to pay per copy as we did before the donation arrangement. The thing about the donation arrangment which we weren't told was it was all about not paying taxes on the money collected for literature.In the countries ( seemingly more productive ) they governments wanted tax on literature bought and sold. So this legal loophole they created kept them from paying taxes on the literature and they got more in donations than they would have in the old methods.

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Private and Prayerful Deliberations!?

by Lost in the fog in

it is more likely that the notes will have the elders' doodles and scribbles in the margin rather than any evidence of prayerful deliberation.

or maybe it's just a ploy to give the boe more time to open the blue envelope and sanitise the content.

we'll have to wait and see what happens, if anything.. https://www.nsnews.com/bc-news/bc-jehovahs-witnesses-challenge-record-production-order-in-court-5691559.

enoughisenough

I never did like the idea that the congregations kept a record about you and you have no clue what they may be forwarding to then next congregation. My understanding now is those records get purged every 5 years...don't know for sure ( maybe they overlap.) I do recall people moving into a congregation I was in in WV and in no time the elders were in their business so to speak...so it isn't like you can start with a clean slate- unless maybe you are an elder that they privately corrected for messing with kids ( yeah, I know I'm bad ) I knew of one brother who moved to another congregation and years later became able to see the "files" and got to read the very uncomplimentary things that had been written about him. My now passed husband's record was totally lost on it's transit from one congregation to another so he became non existant in a way...He was unhappy and blamed me because I had given elders the congregation name .Many of us would likely be shocked if we knew what was written about us. I wonder how many would become baptized if they knew a secret record was going to be kept about them.

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2022 convention stand-outs, clift notes, comments?? the good, the bad, the ugly...

by enoughisenough in

here is the thing: i tried several times to watch the convention...i just couldn't seem to forge ahead with it.

the reason i wanted to was to be able to engage in conversation about it with some of my old friends that communicate by phone that don't know i have disassociated.

i want to be able to slip in seeds of doubt, but at the same time i have to seem a bit current...) so i welcome to know any take outs, commentary, good or bad, or the video plots, etc.

enoughisenough

I had seen a couple of youtube videos where he was calling babies enemies of God and my thought was about Jesus saying to allow the little children to come to him...Jesus never considered them enemies. If I had been a parent there with a baby, I would have been crushed. So what does that mean for the parents? Are they to be able to punish the children more or get them baptized earlier so as to "save" them? What thoughts and feelings when viewing that?