Posts by enoughisenough

6

Jehovah Will Help You Deal With Life’s Uncertainties

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

library.

magazines.

the watchtower—study edition | april 2023. study article 17. jehovah will help you deal with life’s uncertainties.

enoughisenough

my family always helped others if/when we saw a need...even strangers. And we have been helped when we were in need-even by strangers. So it shouldn't be unusual if members in the congregation learned of a need and helped...but does the Org. have a plan for it on a local level? I remember complaining to some local brothers about a poor sister's home having some foundation issues and it needed some structural support. They would go for miles from home to build halls or to fix a home in a storm damaged area, but not do anything for the locals. ( I think it did shame them into inquiry, but by that time, she was arrears in payments and the house in bad condition, she just left the place to foreclosure... ( now I know the reason to help with the damaged homes is so the JW can collect the insurance!) So other churches have men who will go out into the community and help people. My sister's church had such a group and they repaired my Mom's porch for her. As to helping, in the parable of seeing someone naked and clothing them, or seeing them hungry and feeding them, Jesus said if you did it to the least of these "my brothers", you have done it to me. We know the JW GB lay claim to being Christ's brothers and expect the R and F to donate to them... ( in another post, it is discussed who Jesus said his brothers were. )

16

Underage child: PIMI vs PIMO parents rights

by psyco in

i am a pimo, inactive, parent of an underage child.

i was wondering what rights i have in regards to avoid that my child will be baptized when still underage, not having read the entire bible and before being able to clearly evaluate all the alternatives and consequences (like it happened to me) whereas the other pimi parent has all the rights to do it.

any experiences about children in a pimi vs pimo parents situation?

enoughisenough

I found information on the legally binding verbal contract .....https://www.nairaland.com/3846473/verbal-legal-contract-called-baptism

16

Underage child: PIMI vs PIMO parents rights

by psyco in

i am a pimo, inactive, parent of an underage child.

i was wondering what rights i have in regards to avoid that my child will be baptized when still underage, not having read the entire bible and before being able to clearly evaluate all the alternatives and consequences (like it happened to me) whereas the other pimi parent has all the rights to do it.

any experiences about children in a pimi vs pimo parents situation?

enoughisenough

foolednomore, I like your response about a binding contract. I remember Raymond Franz in one of his books showing from law's point of view, the wording at the baptism in a legal binding contract. Maybe someone has more information on that. Beings you have to be of certain age to get into a contract, no minor should be baptized as a JW. They aren't even told they are entering into a legally binding contract that allows the JWs to literally make their lives miserable in the future. The JW can announce you are no longer a JW and you become the dregs of the earth. And so, PIMO who posted this thread to start with...you know it...that is why you are PIMO instead of out! You are correct in trying to protect the kid. I have read what the JW lawyer had to say about the contract...I just don't know where at this time...a person needs to find it and very carefully go over it so the kid understands it is a contract with an organization. You don't need an organization to dedicate yourself to God if that is what you want to do. Thought: tell the kid if he really wants to be baptized that you will do it! You will baptize him in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. The Ethiopian eunuch never said yes to be identified with a rich organization. So the question here is, do you really want baptized, or do you want to become legally bound to an organization.

26

Another interesting comment made by a PIMI JW

by joe134cd in

i thought i’d shear this with you good people.

the cognitive dissonance is just breath taking.

i over heard this comment at a relatives family dinner the other night.

enoughisenough

beard story....a man who had worn a beard for many years, shaved, got baptized, went out in service. He knocked at a door and a woman answered and he said ( name of one of his ex wives ) She asked him who he was. He reported to the car group that she didn't recognize him without a beard and a beer.

16

Underage child: PIMI vs PIMO parents rights

by psyco in

i am a pimo, inactive, parent of an underage child.

i was wondering what rights i have in regards to avoid that my child will be baptized when still underage, not having read the entire bible and before being able to clearly evaluate all the alternatives and consequences (like it happened to me) whereas the other pimi parent has all the rights to do it.

any experiences about children in a pimi vs pimo parents situation?

enoughisenough

I am also thinking beings you are pimo, that you need to find stealth ways to undermine the JW teachings . A direct approach likely won't work...teach critical thinking.

10

MY EXPERIMENT with new A.I. (Artificial Intelligence) refutes Watchtower chronology in a blazing one second of time

by Terry in

bulletin (apple ios users only).

these secular sources and evidence suggest that the destruction of jerusalem by babylon took place in 537 bce, not 607 bce as jehovah's witnesses believe.. .

these problems with the watchtower society's reasoning suggest that their interpretation of the bible and the date of the destruction of jerusalem by babylon is incorrect.. .

enoughisenough

The GB would declare A I apostate!

16

Underage child: PIMI vs PIMO parents rights

by psyco in

i am a pimo, inactive, parent of an underage child.

i was wondering what rights i have in regards to avoid that my child will be baptized when still underage, not having read the entire bible and before being able to clearly evaluate all the alternatives and consequences (like it happened to me) whereas the other pimi parent has all the rights to do it.

any experiences about children in a pimi vs pimo parents situation?

enoughisenough

To change band wagons: if you are pimo, then the kid thinks you are still a JW only not so "active". A thought came to me that you try to have a one on one Bible study with the child. When in this Bible study, you come across scriptures that the WT have twisted to suit their narrative ( such as the one I posted this morning about Christ's brothers) then the two of you do the research-Bible verses WT. Pull it off like it is the first time you ever questioned it. The JW want you to do research in their literature...and that is what condemns them the most. Take the generation teaching. Going on an illustration limb here-suppose you promised the kid a car when kid turns 16. Kid turns 16, and you tell him you got new information that he really shouldn't have a car until he is 18, so he will have to wait until he is 18. He turns 18 and you tell him he can't legally drink until he is 21, so you decide you aren't getting him a car until he is 21. Kid turns 21 and you are flat broke and you tell the kid that if you ever get enough money ahead you will buy the car for the kid. Ask the kid if he trusts you and believes you are really ever going to buy a car?

16

Underage child: PIMI vs PIMO parents rights

by psyco in

i am a pimo, inactive, parent of an underage child.

i was wondering what rights i have in regards to avoid that my child will be baptized when still underage, not having read the entire bible and before being able to clearly evaluate all the alternatives and consequences (like it happened to me) whereas the other pimi parent has all the rights to do it.

any experiences about children in a pimi vs pimo parents situation?

enoughisenough

Years ago a woman told the elder who was a special pioneer, that bunch of kids aren't ready to be baptized. ( several were getting baptized at the same time just because one was coerced into it -parents weren't going to sign for the person who had just turned 18 to marry unless that person got baptized) Other siblings and a cousin hopped on board the baptism wagon. The elder told the mother of 3 of the young people to let them get baptized and the elders would work with them after that. Within 18 months, three were disfellowshipped. I think 2 came back in. One died while being chased by the cops. Another was disfellowshipped for immorality some years later. He made a point to get back in in record time. ( pride, I think ) Years after that he disassociated because his immoral life style caught up with him- because he had become an elder by this time and the other elders were patting him on the back and telling him he had done nothing wrong.

5

Christ's Brothers

by enoughisenough in

cooperate with christ’s representatives.

shortly before his death, jesus mentioned another way in which we can follow his leadership.

he said: “he that receives anyone i send receives me also.” (john 13:20) in fact, jesus spoke of his anointed representatives as his “brothers.” (matt.

enoughisenough

I am wondering in over 50 years how many times I have read the scriptures at Mark 3:35 and Matt 12:50 where Jesus himself defines his brothers, and never one time thought the slant the WT put on it. was questionable. Sea Breeze is correct in some people wanting someone to tell them what to do...I don't think that is myself...I just thought them Bible Scholars who knew best. Now I see some of rather glaring untruths they have taught and think, how could I have been so gullible because you don't have to be very much of a Bible Scholar at all to see it. ( I have been posting about some topics that are so out in your face that I just didn't see -so I found this statement of Jesus that is so plain and yet overlooked because of the JW filter and group think)

16

Underage child: PIMI vs PIMO parents rights

by psyco in

i am a pimo, inactive, parent of an underage child.

i was wondering what rights i have in regards to avoid that my child will be baptized when still underage, not having read the entire bible and before being able to clearly evaluate all the alternatives and consequences (like it happened to me) whereas the other pimi parent has all the rights to do it.

any experiences about children in a pimi vs pimo parents situation?

enoughisenough

tell your child to wait...Jesus wasn't baptized until he was 30. Also, the jW had a video a few years ago showing disfellowshipped kids calling home but no response...let them know that is how the pimi parent would treat them if they should get disfellowshipped or decide to leave. People don't seem to think it could ever be them. Also discuss with them, they aren't getting baptized for Jehovah and Jesus. Find a copy of the latest "question" and explain it is a legal contract giving the JWs control over their life, that they are really dedicating to men rather than God.