Posts by enoughisenough

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Scriptures That Bothered You as a JW Kid.

by Sea Breeze in

my big one was: .

rev.

20: 5 "but the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.

enoughisenough

the scriptures that bothered me were these stories: the angels came into Lot and the men of the city wanted to have relations with the men and Lot offered his daughters. Then there is the traveler fellow with a concubine who was taken in from the city square by an old fellow and the townsmen wanted to have relations with the traveler...so they give over the woman and she is raped to death! ( so traveler cuts up her body and distributes it throughout the area) So much for chivalry!! So much for depravity! ( not as a kid, but to this day )

Another one that I never could figure out: David counts the people and what was it, 70,000 die? Not to mention That by all rights David and Bathsheba should have been killed under the law.--when I think of David, I think as bad as I have known some men to be, they weren't any worse than David-

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UNDERSTANDING WHY THE ORGANIZATION is a false idol and a BLASPHEMY

by Terry in

do we understand these three words: worship, idolatry, and blasphemy?.

most christians have a vague notion of worship, idolatry, and blasphemy already, but.

a clear definition is necessary.. we must take care to differentiate, however.. how the words appear in original language and how they are defined today might be at odds.. ____________________.

enoughisenough

those pics put up by vanderhoven7 are so telling if you really think about what is going on. I remember not liking it that the blue logo ended up on all of the KH...totally glorifies the org. I will add to that the lapel pins and jewelry with JWorg on it....How would that be different than Christians wearing the cross...which the org would quickly point out as wrong? I never trusted a salesperson who came wearing a cross like they want you to believe they are a Christian so you can trust them.

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What Percentage of active JW's are on Anti-Depressants?

by Sea Breeze in

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i came across an xjw post on redditt from a rn.

she states that nearly every jw she ever treated was on anti-depressants or anti-psychotic drugs:.

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/f35vaa/just_about_every_jw_i_come_across_is_on/ i once read somewhere that 1 in 5 jw's were on anti-depressants, but i couldn't find any documentation.

enoughisenough

Anony Mous I never thought of the fibromyalgia or chronic Fatigue syndrome...but yes! a lot of that in the org. I also knew of a woman who had to sit in the perfume free room because she was so effected she couldn't talk. I really think this was more a mental problem than an allergy because she could work making draperies and the like...How does this work with all the dyes and chemicals and smells, not to mention lint and dust in the fabrics? My thought was in her mind her voice was taken away at the meetings, so to speak.

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What Will JW's Do If They Find Themselves Still Conscious after Death?

by Sea Breeze in

we all know that despite many scriptures to the contrary, jw's believe that when they die, their consciousness will cease.

my question is this: what will be the likely reaction of jw's if they find themselves conscious after death?.

enoughisenough

If your consciousness doesn't cease, why would there ever need to be a resurrection? (duh!-you didn't die at all-just like the serpent said Eve wouldn't die ) Personally I believe what Ecc 9:5,10 says about the condition of the dead and Jesus reaffirmed that when likening Lazarus to being asleep who Martha knew would be resurrected on the last day- - And for those of you who choose not to believe the Bible at all, what difference does it make to you?

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What Percentage of active JW's are on Anti-Depressants?

by Sea Breeze in

jw
friends

i came across an xjw post on redditt from a rn.

she states that nearly every jw she ever treated was on anti-depressants or anti-psychotic drugs:.

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/f35vaa/just_about_every_jw_i_come_across_is_on/ i once read somewhere that 1 in 5 jw's were on anti-depressants, but i couldn't find any documentation.

enoughisenough

I can't speak to that. Years ago it was brought out that 25 percent of the population were on or needed antidepressants. 1 out of 4 if you look around you ( unless you are the 1) Anyway, I remember thinking about some in the congregation that they had issues--overly anxious or too dull-or germaphobes or thinking people were watching them through secret cameras. ( and then there were those you were just pretty sure were closet alcoholics.) So we were told we were happy people because we served a Happy God....where did that leave the rest of the world? I know a man who eventually left the org who said he was happiest when he wasn't going to meetings. My circle wasn't really ever that wide as far as getting to know very many very well, but I knew of 2 for sure who were bi-polar.

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How many still getting boosters?

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

either you think the governing body was correct giving direction to be fully vaccinated and do you will keep getting the boosters, or.... if you don’t think the boosters are safe and you decide not to keep getting them then you are admitting that the direction was wrong.. if the direction was indeed harming brothers and sister who kept going to get these injections because of the covid updates then this is a huge wake up call?.

how could this direction from the gb who are i doubt jehovah give such harmful direction?.

enoughisenough

I can't believe anyone who has their head out of the sand would dare take a booster.

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Most children of Jehovah's Witnesses followers in Japan have been whipped, survey shows

by Rattigan350 in

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2023/03/15/national/jehovahs-witnesses-whipping/.

the most cited reason was “napping or talking during congregations.” others included “answering back to parents” and “playing with a schoolmate.”.

some respondents said they have been suffering depression as a result of whipping.. “i still cannot forget the sight of children screaming after they were taken into a large room at a congregation when i was a child,” a 44-year-old victim said, stressing that jehovah’s witnesses should reflect on what followers have done.. in february, a group of lawyers started supporting those second-generation followers.. in a statement issued on march 1, the japanese branch of jehovah’s witness said it does not accept child abuse.. https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20230315/p2a/00m/0na/006000c.

enoughisenough

I think it safe to say that MOST children all over the world has been "whipped". The question is, when does that become abuse rather than discipline? I dare say that most children could/should be disciplined in other manner....at the same time, I have seen a few that I am glad I never had to put up with. ( I do remember one little girl being carried to the bathroom calling out Help!-I doubt her crime fit the punishment.)

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Wise counsel for JW's in latest WT

by BoogerMan in

june 2023 study watchtower p. 13, par 15 - “we will not be fooled if we “make sure of or, “test” all things.”...we need to test what we hear or what we read to determine whether it is genuine.....instead of naively accepting what others the org say, we use our thinking ability to compare what we read or what we hear with what the bible and jehovah’s organization say.”.

enoughisenough

If they use their thinking ability to compare what The Bible really says, they will wake up and and at least mentally leave. I love that you underlined the "and"...because they don't want you to compare the Bible without the filters of the org.

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What is spiritual warfare.

by Hellothere in

what is spiritual warfare to you?

i experienced a situation that i could clearly say was spiritual warfare.

but that was something i could only see years laters.

enoughisenough

in the JW sense, it is deceit...it is ok to lie to protect the org. ( Jeffrey Jackson show and tell at CSA hearings )

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What novels would you recommend?

by LoveUniHateExams in

i used to have a large-ish novel collection but my current collection is scaled-down because i was forced to move back to bolton 4 years ago and didn't have enough room for them all in my suitcases.. i currently own just 9 novels.. salem's lot (stephen king).

three by john ajvide lindqvist:.

let the old dreams die.

enoughisenough

Between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea/ Marcus Rediker --a quote from page 258 par. 1 Almost all pirates has labored as merchant seamen, Royal Navy sailors, or privateersmen. The vast majority came from captured merchantmen as volunteers, for reason suggested by Dr. Samuel Johnson's observation that, " No man will become a sailor who has contrivance enough to get himself in Jail; for being in a ship is being in a jail with the chance of being drowned.... A man in jail has more room, better food, and commonly better company."

A General History of the Pyrates/ Daniel Dafoe. The book I have was a reprint-with notes...original from 1724

An interesting thing I learn about Pirates from reading the books-a lot of men didn't set out to be pirates. They may have been pressed ganged onto ships. If the ships they were sailing/ working on was attacked and overcome by pirates, in order to keep from being killed they had to throw their lot in with the pirates that had overcome the vessel they were sailing on.

The Fountainhead/ Ayn Rand. or watch the movie...Gary Cooper gives an impressive defense before a jury as to personal integrity in the movie.