just your thoughts....i've been all over this site, everyone says, that if jehovah was backing the org.
then why so many things happen in the org.
child abuse, shunning, and so on....but my question or thought is why is the banning of witnesses all over the media, but the arc isn't wasn't picked up in the media, like this (oh little leaks here and there, but nothing major) nothing like the nyt or any major media venue where the friends would see it and couldn't deny it, even if they wanted to....why does the media care more about banning witnesses than child abuse...i know even if the arc was exposed many of the friends would stay, but would be shamed, because they talked about other religions...or maybe jehovah is bringing the org.
Great comments...I like the one where someone at the NYT is a witness or knows someone...here's a thought, could the org. be paying not to have it published...would you put it past them ?
This is fine for informal discussions.
But for the benefit of lurkers here: As mentioned, this is just a theory and would need facts to back it up. We don't want to contribute towards the rumor mill and look more stupid for just assuming things to prove our point.
did anybody (who went to the memorial) notice the opening song?.
keep in mind that this is the most important night of the year for the witnesses.
it is supposed to be all about jesus christ.
ambersun, for your comments:
Surely, a memorial of someone's death, by its very definition, should be all about remembering that person who has passed away
JW Memorial is not just a memorial service for remembering Jesus death. It is also called "The Lord's Evening Meal" and hence includes remembering those who shared the final meal with Jesus Christ during his last night and those who are included in the covenant with Jesus.
not praising a group of men who are very much alive and kicking.
The 'spirit anointed sons' mentioned in the opening song does not simply refer to 'group of men' or the governing body. It includes all anointed christians (even those who are dead now), the first century apostles of Christ and other Christians (including women). According to JW's a vast majority of such anointed ones are already dead and are in heaven.The song refers to all the 144,000 anointed ones, not just the GB
Not supporting, but just giving you the JW perspective, since we are discussing about their memorial.
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/jw-meeting-workbook/april-2017-mwb/meeting-schedule-apr10-16/encourage-inactive-christian/.
this is part of the clam meeting this week.. how contradictory is it?.
first, they instruct people to avoid inactive ones and to shun them and to treat them the same as da'd or df'd ones, .
Yesu Kristo, regarding your comment:
first, they instruct people to avoid inactive ones and to shun them and to treat them the same as DA'd or DF'd ones,
I'm not sure about this. As far as I am aware, Inactive ones are those who have not turned in their FS reports for more than 6 months. In other words, they are those who have stopped coming to meetings or preaching, without officially sending a letter of DA. Are inactive ones actually shunned or treated as disfellowshipped ones? Since you have used the word 'they instruct people', can you please provide sources where JWs are told to shun and avoid inactive ones?
i went with my husband tonight for the first time.
it was pretty appalling how they lied about the 144k and everyone else.
then passing the wine and bread for nothing.
Thanks. I know about these sources. But can't use it against them.
I was actually interested in knowing whether WT has made any direct statements in recent times, from official sources. (i.e. without using the words 'may be', 'could be', 'we don't know' etc)
i went with my husband tonight for the first time.
it was pretty appalling how they lied about the 144k and everyone else.
then passing the wine and bread for nothing.
stuckinarut2,
Can you please provide the link or source of the Kingdom Ministry where JW's have mentioned that this would be their last memorial? 2014 and 1970?
I am currently discussing this with a family member
political repression is the persecution of an individual or group within society for political reasons, particularly for the purpose of restricting or preventing their ability to take part in the political life of a society thereby reducing their standing among their fellow citizens.[1][2].
so, the governing bastards feel that putin is trying to keep jehovah's witnesses out of politics.
interesting.... all the russians had to do is to ask watchtower one question.
Political violence is a particular form of repression involving the use of physical force to achieve political goals.
Yes, to achieve the goals of the one who is committing the violence, not the victim
Where does it say that you are a victim of political repression only if you are a member of a political party? Individuals with no political affiliation can also become victims of political repression.
I never told that fining someone for speeding is an act of political repression. But stripping a person of his basic rights by using brutality and criminalizing is political repression.
From your own article:
. Acts of repression and/or political violence often violate fundamental human rights, and are sometimes referred to as human rights abuse.
If a group of JW's are arrested and trashed by the state for coming together and praying or discussing the Bible, they become victims of Political Violence and State Repression.
The wave of violence that engulfed JWs during the Nazi and Soviet regime is also classified under political repression and human rights abuse.
in moscow, a soft rain drizzles.
along the facade of the supreme court stretched a large queue of those who came to the process as listeners.
a large bus is parked at the courthouse on povarskaya street, full of obviously bored police officers.
So the Russian JW's can have the memorial on 11th April before the court resumes on 12th
in moscow, a soft rain drizzles.
along the facade of the supreme court stretched a large queue of those who came to the process as listeners.
a large bus is parked at the courthouse on povarskaya street, full of obviously bored police officers.
13:18
Novakov draws attention to the fact that the term structural subdivision is defined in the title of the relevant chapter of the law. The concept of "structural unit" is relevant only to political parties.
13:25
Court announces a break until 12 April 2017 10:00.
in moscow, a soft rain drizzles.
along the facade of the supreme court stretched a large queue of those who came to the process as listeners.
a large bus is parked at the courthouse on povarskaya street, full of obviously bored police officers.
12:52
Statement by the representative of Maxim Novakov. His speech is devoted to the analysis of the so-called "new facts of extremist activity", to which the Ministry of Justice refers in its suit. We are talking about fines imposed on several MPOs because of the discovery of extremist materials in liturgical buildings.
13:06
The management center was not involved in business, so it did not have an effective opportunity to raise the issue of provocations. Meanwhile, no evidence for the court can have established strength. Judicial orders for imposition of fines can not have prejudicial force. Otherwise, this would be a violation of the right to a fair trial. Decisions referenced by the court are beautiful closed "boxes", but the content of these "boxes" is not so intuitive. To have a holistic picture and give an objective assessment, the court must assess the circumstances of what happened. The riot police rush into the services, throw all the men to the floor, they were not allowed to even raise their heads, while unknown men move uncontrollably through the building. The cameras recorded how the OMON stormed a liturgical building and police officers tossed illegal materials into the cabinet, and then they were "discovered."
13:12
Novakov tells an interesting detail, recently found in the materials of one case. It turned out that on one of the thrown publications there is an inscription testifying that this publication belongs to one of the Orthodox anti-sectarian centers!
in moscow, a soft rain drizzles.
along the facade of the supreme court stretched a large queue of those who came to the process as listeners.
a large bus is parked at the courthouse on povarskaya street, full of obviously bored police officers.
12:43
Toporov wondered why the overwhelming majority, more than 380 MROs of Russia, who never received any claims from the state, should be eliminated, even without any warning and the opportunity to change something? In the case there are hundreds and hundreds of results of inspections of various departments that did not reveal any violations in the activities of all these LROs. 22 Crimean MPO, registered under Russian law and not having committed any violations, are perplexed, for what they should be recognized as extremist, and their property confiscated? Why is the Moscow MRO, registered under the order of the ECHR and not having committed a single offense, should be subjected to such severe sanctions?
