just wondering what would happen if a brother saying a prayer in a meeting did it in the name of michael the archangel instead of closing the prayer with "jesus christ".
since jw's believe michael is jesus would he be counseled?
what if a brother used the name michael the archangel in their public talks instead of jesus?
Nobody wants to comment on Jesus name being Immanuel ? In the christian greek Scriptures ?
The Messiah is identified in the NT by the name Jesus. Even the gospel writers and other disciples in their letters used the name Jesus. This implies that all other names given or ascribed to Jesus were prophetic-title names, mostly used in prophecies to denote the type of work that Messiah would do or his qualities, but not to be used in personal, day-to-day dealings.
just wondering what would happen if a brother saying a prayer in a meeting did it in the name of michael the archangel instead of closing the prayer with "jesus christ".
since jw's believe michael is jesus would he be counseled?
what if a brother used the name michael the archangel in their public talks instead of jesus?
Then why do Watchtower and JW believers often (or even mostly?) use the name Jesus when discussing his enthronement, or who supposedly kicked out Satan from the heavens, or who is gonna whoop the infidels' asses in Armageddon?
Because Michael as the heavenly name of Jesus was never meant to be used in worship, prayer, preaching or teaching. In 2 Thess. 1:7,8 Paul himself uses the name Jesus while telling about the time when he comes for destroying the wicked. For believers, the role of Michael as a heavenly warrior who brings destruction is still to be seen in the future, whereas his role as Jesus the Christ and the redeemer has already been displayed during his time on earth. So Jesus is the more preferred name for believers as Jesus as the Christ has impacted them the most than his role as Michael the Archangel.
just wondering what would happen if a brother saying a prayer in a meeting did it in the name of michael the archangel instead of closing the prayer with "jesus christ".
since jw's believe michael is jesus would he be counseled?
what if a brother used the name michael the archangel in their public talks instead of jesus?
No doubt he would be talked to but by teaching that Jesus is Michael the archangel, the JW's really cannot technically do anything about it.
Krismalone,
Going by your logic, why don't we call a mango as Mangifera indica? Or why don’t we use Solanum lycopersicum instead of a tomato? Both are scientific names and are used in botanical science.
Imagine if Masterchef or any other show starts using these scientific names instead of common names, would they make any sense for us even if they are technically correct? Your science teacher may use the scientific name during lab practical; but in your kitchen you use the name tomato. Each name has its own usage and purpose and is used where it is appropriate and fit.
Similarly, the name Jesus Christ is used in prayer to address his role as a redeemer and saviour, whereas the name Michael the archangel has a different purpose as his role as a prince and a warrior and is not used by believers while praying.
based on legal arguments that revolve around violations of several articles of the portuguese constitution, and of the law of religious freedom, a petition to the portuguese parliament has been set in motion to extinguish the legal entity that represents the jehovah's witness in portugal and remove this community from the national register of recognized religions protected by law.
the petition does not seek to ban the jehovah's witness as a whole in the country.
the petition denounces the institutional policy of shunning former members as a violation of basic human rights and psychological torture, and asks the portuguese legislators and judicial authorities to take action to stop this abuse, and suspend legal recognition to the branch office entity until the policies of shunning are changed.
EdenOne,
What impact will the suspension of the legal status of the WT society have on its members?
Since shunning violates a person's basic fundamental rights, do you have reports of any case in EU where a shunned member has put a case in court against the WT for their shunning policies? What were the results of it?
based on legal arguments that revolve around violations of several articles of the portuguese constitution, and of the law of religious freedom, a petition to the portuguese parliament has been set in motion to extinguish the legal entity that represents the jehovah's witness in portugal and remove this community from the national register of recognized religions protected by law.
the petition does not seek to ban the jehovah's witness as a whole in the country.
the petition denounces the institutional policy of shunning former members as a violation of basic human rights and psychological torture, and asks the portuguese legislators and judicial authorities to take action to stop this abuse, and suspend legal recognition to the branch office entity until the policies of shunning are changed.
Giordano: Never saw that book wonder if the Society sent a copy to Portugal?
Sorry, what do you mean by sent to portugal?. It's one of the two books (second book) used for studying with those who want to convert to JW's. It's available on their website and is also mentioned in the petition.
based on legal arguments that revolve around violations of several articles of the portuguese constitution, and of the law of religious freedom, a petition to the portuguese parliament has been set in motion to extinguish the legal entity that represents the jehovah's witness in portugal and remove this community from the national register of recognized religions protected by law.
the petition does not seek to ban the jehovah's witness as a whole in the country.
the petition denounces the institutional policy of shunning former members as a violation of basic human rights and psychological torture, and asks the portuguese legislators and judicial authorities to take action to stop this abuse, and suspend legal recognition to the branch office entity until the policies of shunning are changed.
As for shunning he was told 'some' people may shun but it is very rare.
Interesting. Jw's have been pretty much clear about their shunning and it is very well documented in numerous of their literature what behavior they expect from their R&F toward disfellowshipped ones. He could have easily known about their shunning by reading their own literature.
If jw's were honest at the doors they would say something like this-
The rules and points that you have listed are pretty much explained in the "God's Love" book. It is a complete rule book that covers almost each and every aspect of a JW life.
based on legal arguments that revolve around violations of several articles of the portuguese constitution, and of the law of religious freedom, a petition to the portuguese parliament has been set in motion to extinguish the legal entity that represents the jehovah's witness in portugal and remove this community from the national register of recognized religions protected by law.
the petition does not seek to ban the jehovah's witness as a whole in the country.
the petition denounces the institutional policy of shunning former members as a violation of basic human rights and psychological torture, and asks the portuguese legislators and judicial authorities to take action to stop this abuse, and suspend legal recognition to the branch office entity until the policies of shunning are changed.
and a choice that is imposed on you by an institution by means of coercion.
Interesting. But how would you prove that JW's use coercion? At the first place, joining the religion is voluntary and a person who joins the JW's is very well aware of the JW rules.
some time ago a super-dub stopped by to try to encourage me to return to jw land.
my demeanor during our conversation was extremely serious.
i was polite, but dignified.
How did he know they were “helping” the young people? What kind of evidence could he provide? What kind of numbers? Did he just have one or two local anecdotes? Had somebody done some kind of controlled, detailed sociological and/or psychological study? How many were involved in the study and over what period of time? What kind of methods were used to measure the “help”? Had a follow-up study been done to determine whether the “help” was lasting or just short term?
Magnum, Honestly speaking, not all statements that we make can have the backing of detailed studies and statistics. Much of it is based upon our own experience and those of others.
For e.g. In your previous posts on this forum you have made the following statements:
Many are suffering now financially because of having been JWs.
Many JW’s are on medication for mental/psychological/emotional reasons.
I'm sure that before the coup, the non-GB members of the FDS were a thorn in the side of the GB
I'm virtually certain that Harvey won't cost the org a penny
So, do you have actual numbers and studies, as in how many JW's out of 8 million are suffering financially specifically because of being JW's? or do you have reliable stats of how many JW's take mental health medications? Can you apply the questions you made in the OP to your own statements?
Or did you make these statements out of your own life experience, your experience in the congregation and of the people on this board?
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Listener - no that was just Stock Footage they bought. The did not shoot that video
I think they only bought the music in the video, not the video
this week's clam meeting has a video from jwborg entitled refreshing those “toiling and loaded down” about the organisation's response to two terrorist's attacks in new york (twin towers) and paris (bataclan 2015).. to me it is more about a back slapping "look what we do for you" than a "left hand not letting the right know" (matt 6 v 3) action of love and care.. ... ... ... ... ... .... if you've read this far - by contrast please google "didi bataclan paris" to read about a true unsung hero.
not forgetting the true heroes of 9/11 .... ... ... ... ... ... .
am i too cynical?.
Freddo,
Sorry for derailing the discussion.
Regarding your question, you are not being cynical because the video is a propaganda video which is made by the WT to further their ideology.
Now about my comment, contrary to what steve2 is implying in his comment, I did not mean to say that I am not sympathizing with other non-jw's who lost their loved ones in the attack. It was just that while watching the video I saw a couple who lost their son in the attack. Hence rather than concentrating on the ideology behind the video, which I can do for hundreds of other videos that they have produced, I tried to think about the parents and what they must have gone through. Being an Indian, I may never have known who all lost their lives, neither would have visited the memorial, so took this a chance to think about the people I saw in this video. Just that.
