Drearyweather, where specifically did the money come from to help the Brothers out in India?
From donations.
What's the point?
Drearyweather
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What to do if you’re a billionaire religion and a city of your brothers are trapped by a landslide and starving....
by Diogenesister in..........make a phone call.📞.
yes, that’s what the multi billion dollar corporation, watchtower, claimed they did in the 2019 convention.. devastating mudslides in rural myanmar left thousands of people cut off from food, water and medicine, many of them witnesses.. watchtowers solution?
fly in a helicopter of medics and engineers?
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What to do if you’re a billionaire religion and a city of your brothers are trapped by a landslide and starving....
by Diogenesister in..........make a phone call.📞.
yes, that’s what the multi billion dollar corporation, watchtower, claimed they did in the 2019 convention.. devastating mudslides in rural myanmar left thousands of people cut off from food, water and medicine, many of them witnesses.. watchtowers solution?
fly in a helicopter of medics and engineers?
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Drearyweather
JWGoneBad,
Thank you for your concern.
'YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!'
Rather than throwing punchlines, point out the fallacy in my comment and let's discuss those.
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What to do if you’re a billionaire religion and a city of your brothers are trapped by a landslide and starving....
by Diogenesister in..........make a phone call.📞.
yes, that’s what the multi billion dollar corporation, watchtower, claimed they did in the 2019 convention.. devastating mudslides in rural myanmar left thousands of people cut off from food, water and medicine, many of them witnesses.. watchtowers solution?
fly in a helicopter of medics and engineers?
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Drearyweather
Hi Diogenesister,
Sorry, I have to play the devil’s advocate here.
Myanmar, India and other neighbouring countries come under the same disaster committee operations of the Watchtower. I was not in Myanmar, but I was in Kerala, India, during the 2018 floods that devastated the entire state, the worst in a century.
Let me clear a few things what you have written. To put things in perspective, Myanmar is worse than India.
Watchtowers solution? Fly in a helicopter of medics and engineers? Pay for Red Adare to blast a path through the mud? Not quite......
During the floods here in India, the air space was completely closed for air travel for 2 weeks. Only government owned relief supplies and medics could enter the disaster area through air space. The India branch of the WT had to send supplies to the government, who then flew it to the disaster area. As expected, very few of the supplies reached the destination due to corruption in between.
Its solution to this unfolding tragedy was to “make a phone call” to the local “disaster committee,” AKA the local body of elders in the next city, and ask them to go “check” on the congregations affected.
In countries over here, the entire roadway and the air space is closed down due to landslides and mudslides. Internet connections are gutted down. Leave the WT, even the Prime Minister of the country can only use phone lines to give directions.
It was the *local people that put together the food, water and (I imagine, pretty basic) medicine, not Watchtower, It’s local JW funds.
Not true. It is practically impossible for poor local JW’s to come up with tons of food supplies. Even the most basic supplies are sent by the DRC’s operating in the area. Due to thugs and looting, local JW’s are advised not to venture out to the disaster area with supplies.
In countries here in Asia, due to the sorry nature of communication and transport, the WT has set up disaster committees made up of 5 full-time bethelites that live in the area and work remotely for the branch. Each committee has been given enough funds to use when necessary.
The major chunk of the supplies comes from these Disaster committees that get the funds from the WT well in advance before the disasters. In fact, during the 2018 floods in India, a letter was issued to all congregations not to collect and sends any food supplies to the affected areas due to looting and corruption.
Not sure about the western and the European world, but WT’s response to the disasters here in India, Myanmar and other Asian countries is pretty good considering the type of countries these are.
Been there, seen there.
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One simple photo to sum up the heartless and hypocritical attitudes of many Jehovah's Witnesses
by nicolaou in.
this was taken in london yesterday by a twitter user still managing his fade so i can't be more specific than that.
disgusting.
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Drearyweather
Please, explain your statement above. Whose life have you seen ruined over claiming, on a social media site, that they knew what was happening in a scene from a picture?
When I said that lives are ruined, I meant the lives of the ones those who are in such photos, not the ones who click the photo. I thought my para was self-explanatory. I have seen young boys and girls hauled before the committee's on the basis of their Facebook photos. I have seen elders incriminating the ones in the photo on purported theories that they deduced out of the photo.
by my reasoning you have no position from which to judge the opinions or emotions of others.
but then you write a 12 paragraph essay telling why my opinion was wrong.
I will not silently tolerate people seeking to create that same vibe out here, where worldly people live.
Then all the best with that. May Jehovah's blessing be on you.
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One simple photo to sum up the heartless and hypocritical attitudes of many Jehovah's Witnesses
by nicolaou in.
this was taken in london yesterday by a twitter user still managing his fade so i can't be more specific than that.
disgusting.
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Drearyweather
I suspect you have also felt all of these ways, simultaneously. I believe you have overstepped because a narrow spectrum of emotion surged to the surface in you, for a moment, and you rationalized a basis for that to be regarded as the "right way" to feel. When someone else has different emotions surge to the surface, that doesn't make their resulting perspectives wrong, or deserving of any correction at all. – Afterburn
Afterburn, The problem with the above logic is that by that reasoning you can excuse any behaviour that an ex-jw displays towards a JW. Because surge of emotions can get better of us. Few months ago, an ex-jw wrote a post of how he followed and yelled at two elderly JW ladies going door-to-door. There were people on the forum that supported his actions saying that since he was hurt by the Watchtower, it was fine if yelling at them made him feel better.
Then there was a post a put up by a guy who clicked a JW sipping coffee while his cart was packed up nearby, showing he had finished his cart witnessing for the day. Instantly everyone started commenting on how that JW should have been preaching and not drinking coffee, while it was clear that he had finished his cart work and was likely waiting for someone.
I don’t believe that my feelings are right and others are wrong. I have lived a JW life myself in all capacities within the organisation, so I know how about all the negative aspects of the organisation. In fact, when I was a teen, i was myself thrown before a committee based on what another ‘sister’ saw me doing. The entire incident had a terrible impact on me and my life then, showing the folly of assuming things that we don’t really know anything about.
Years later, when i became an elder myself, i could see how fellow elders basically write a three page fictional story based on one photo or statement made by a witness in a case. It was like a palaeontologist constructing an entire dinosaur based on a partial jaw bone. I have seen lives wrecked because of this, and that I try to caution anyone who does it. I can understand the surge of emotion, but I feel constraining it and channelling it towards what really matters is something that we all have to learn, or else, we basically become the parallel version of the cult that we left. More worse, we become what the WT wants us to become.
If you feel otherwise, then more power to you.
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2019--June--8--Weekend Meeting--Video--WTBTS-PA
by Atlantis inwatchtower bible and tract society of pa.. weekend meeting-june--8th--2019 speaker announced song at 4 minutes 30 seconds: public talk--is the trinity a scriptural teaching?at 31 minutes 12 seconds--the holy spirit is described as a finger and not on the same plain as jesus and his father.. at 34 minutes 20 seconds--jesus is superior to the holy spirit and jehovah is superior to both.at 35 minutes 20 seconds--public talk ends.. at 35 minutes 40 seconds--song.at 38 minutes 43 seconds--watchtower study.https://we.tl/t-idbbuwjlzi atlantis!
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Drearyweather
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2019--June--8--Weekend Meeting--Video--WTBTS-PA
by Atlantis inwatchtower bible and tract society of pa.. weekend meeting-june--8th--2019 speaker announced song at 4 minutes 30 seconds: public talk--is the trinity a scriptural teaching?at 31 minutes 12 seconds--the holy spirit is described as a finger and not on the same plain as jesus and his father.. at 34 minutes 20 seconds--jesus is superior to the holy spirit and jehovah is superior to both.at 35 minutes 20 seconds--public talk ends.. at 35 minutes 40 seconds--song.at 38 minutes 43 seconds--watchtower study.https://we.tl/t-idbbuwjlzi atlantis!
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Drearyweather
Sorry Listener, Maybe I missed that part. Where exactly in the talk does the speaker make this funny analogy? I'll listen to it again
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2019--June--8--Weekend Meeting--Video--WTBTS-PA
by Atlantis inwatchtower bible and tract society of pa.. weekend meeting-june--8th--2019 speaker announced song at 4 minutes 30 seconds: public talk--is the trinity a scriptural teaching?at 31 minutes 12 seconds--the holy spirit is described as a finger and not on the same plain as jesus and his father.. at 34 minutes 20 seconds--jesus is superior to the holy spirit and jehovah is superior to both.at 35 minutes 20 seconds--public talk ends.. at 35 minutes 40 seconds--song.at 38 minutes 43 seconds--watchtower study.https://we.tl/t-idbbuwjlzi atlantis!
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Drearyweather
Nothing surprising.
Holy Spirit as God's finger has been the Watchtower's teaching since the 1960s, not something new.
Not only the JW's, but many other Christian denominations too allude to this teaching.
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One simple photo to sum up the heartless and hypocritical attitudes of many Jehovah's Witnesses
by nicolaou in.
this was taken in london yesterday by a twitter user still managing his fade so i can't be more specific than that.
disgusting.
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Drearyweather
For the most part my comments about Jehovah's Witnesses not being concerned for non-JW's or " worldly " people was and is TOTALLY accurate.
Flipper, your original comment was about what the five JW's should have done to help the homeless guy. Following was your comment -
Realistically these JW's are invading this homeless man's personal space. I mean for the love of Christ, give this guy some space so he can sleep in peace ! Or if the J-dubs insist on standing so close to his sleeping quarters, slip him a $ 10 bill into his jacket. They should at least do SOMETHING to show they aren't the insensitive louts we've all come to realize that they are. Or show some respect for the man's space and move somewhere else to do their proselytizing ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper
I called you out on that and said that we cannot judge the five JW's based on that single photo. That was my point.
The hypocrisy and abuse you faced were not from those 5 JW's. They are where we were years ago - captives to a cult - possibly facing the same problems that we did. There are mates and parents of forum members here who are active JW's. What would be their reaction if a nutter clicked one of our elderly sick mother's photo or our wife's photo standing at a cart and posted it here for all to comment on? The JW's in the photo could have been of one of our family members too.
I have faced abuse from sick JW elders in my life too. But that doesn't mean that I rant on any random JW that I see in a photo or at trolleys. You don't know what is happening in the photo and my only point throughout my comments was that you cannot judge the 5 JW's based on that photo put up by the OP.
I hope my repetition has not gone overboard and I apologize if my comment is disrespectful in any way to you.
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One simple photo to sum up the heartless and hypocritical attitudes of many Jehovah's Witnesses
by nicolaou in.
this was taken in london yesterday by a twitter user still managing his fade so i can't be more specific than that.
disgusting.
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Drearyweather
Flipper,
If you feel that passing money to the homeless achieves the purpose of helping them, then I am no one to challenge you for that.
You said in your previous comment that the JW's in that photo should have slipped 10 bucks in his pockets.
My point is that none of us know if they have done that or they have been doing that.
Just imagine, you are waiting for someone near a parking lot and you see a tired homeless guy walking towards you. You give him 5 bucks, he thanks you and after some time, he decides to doze off at the corner near you. You get a call and while talking over the phone, you look at the homeless guy you just helped. What if some random person clicks you at that moment?
What does that photo tell about you?
I had learned a valuable lesson from Ray Franz from Crisis of Conscience. He said that while the Governing Body was collectively wrong on many points, he greatly esteemed and regarded Lyman Swingle, the GB member. He said that he strongly believes that Lyman was a very good man and even at this point he thinks highly of him. Lesson: Don't generalize everyone in one frame.
We can generalize the JW's for many of the bad things, but the OP has put in a way to make the JW's in that particular photo look bad. IMO it's wrong.
Bashing someone based on a photograph may be a crazy JW elder's forte. Some of us label the JW's as being judgemental. Ironically, we are doing the same here.