Another deceitful tactic is to quote men like, Eusebius, Polycarp, Papias and Irenaeus as historians, or writers, when in fact they were all early Bishops of the catholic church.Are you sure all of these men were bishops of the Roman Catholic Church?
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Bible canon conundrums
by joey jojo inthis is a topic that i find really interesting- how the bible, in particular, the new testament was compiled and how the jw organisation strives to negate, scoff at and diminish the influence of the catholic church in its development.. here is the official stance of the org: .
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/library/r1/lp-e/all-publications/watchtower/the-watchtower-1963/april-15.
'the roman catholic church claims responsibility for the decision as to which books should be included in the canon, and reference is made to the councils of hippo (a.d. 393) and carthage (a.d. 397), where catalogues of books were formulated.
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"Fine Witness" diluted in latest experience
by neat blue dog inthe latest jwdotorg experience starts very familiarly:.
danielle, one of jehovah’s witnesses in south africa, found a bag that a customer had left behind in a coffee shop.
inside the bag was a wallet with money and credit cards.. when the owner met her to get it back,.
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Did the guy contact the borg and tell them? Did the borg track him down and ask him what changes he had made in his life since this life altering contact with JWs?
Winston,
The answer to your questions is mentioned in the text on jw.org (not picked up in the original post):
Some months later, Danielle’s father was again in contact with the man, who related what happened to him a short time before when he found a lost purse.
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Montana News
by AuntBee inhttps://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/montana/articles/2020-01-08/court-reverses-35m-verdict-against-jehovahs-witnesses.
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Drearyweather
Watchtower said they don't have any clergy in their publications.
Actually its the victim's lawyer who built the case with the premise that elders are clergy and hence mandatory reporters under section 41-3-201(2)(h)
I guess if you argue that Watchtower elders are not clergy, then under what profession would you classify an elder into?
If under no profession amongst the sections, then they become non-mandatory reporters and the whole case will fall flat even before it begins.
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Montana News
by AuntBee inhttps://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/montana/articles/2020-01-08/court-reverses-35m-verdict-against-jehovahs-witnesses.
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The Montana Supreme Court judges unanimously (7-0) decided to reverse the District Court's verdict in favor of Jehovah's Witnesses.
The verdict:
"We hold accordingly that .... Jehovah’s Witnesses were not mandatory reporters under § 41-3-201, MCA, in this case because their church doctrine, canon, or practice required that clergy keep reports of child abuse confidential, thus entitling the Defendants to the exception of § 41-3-201(6)(c), MCA.
The District Court erred in ruling that Jehovah’s Witnesses were under a mandatory duty to report Peter or Holly McGowan’s disclosure of Maximo’s abuse and thus were negligent per se for violating § 41-3-201, MCA."
Following are the case document and the decision summaries:
https://courts.mt.gov/Portals/189/orders/caseInfo.html?id=DA%2019-0077
https://juddocumentservice.mt.gov/getDocByCTrackId?DocId=299650
https://juddocumentservice.mt.gov/getDocByCTrackId?DocId=299651
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What to do if you’re a billionaire religion and a city of your brothers are trapped by a landslide and starving....
by Diogenesister in..........make a phone call.📞.
yes, that’s what the multi billion dollar corporation, watchtower, claimed they did in the 2019 convention.. devastating mudslides in rural myanmar left thousands of people cut off from food, water and medicine, many of them witnesses.. watchtowers solution?
fly in a helicopter of medics and engineers?
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Drearyweather, where specifically did the money come from to help the Brothers out in India?
From donations.
What's the point?
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What to do if you’re a billionaire religion and a city of your brothers are trapped by a landslide and starving....
by Diogenesister in..........make a phone call.📞.
yes, that’s what the multi billion dollar corporation, watchtower, claimed they did in the 2019 convention.. devastating mudslides in rural myanmar left thousands of people cut off from food, water and medicine, many of them witnesses.. watchtowers solution?
fly in a helicopter of medics and engineers?
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JWGoneBad,
Thank you for your concern.
'YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!'
Rather than throwing punchlines, point out the fallacy in my comment and let's discuss those.
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What to do if you’re a billionaire religion and a city of your brothers are trapped by a landslide and starving....
by Diogenesister in..........make a phone call.📞.
yes, that’s what the multi billion dollar corporation, watchtower, claimed they did in the 2019 convention.. devastating mudslides in rural myanmar left thousands of people cut off from food, water and medicine, many of them witnesses.. watchtowers solution?
fly in a helicopter of medics and engineers?
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Drearyweather
Hi Diogenesister,
Sorry, I have to play the devil’s advocate here.
Myanmar, India and other neighbouring countries come under the same disaster committee operations of the Watchtower. I was not in Myanmar, but I was in Kerala, India, during the 2018 floods that devastated the entire state, the worst in a century.
Let me clear a few things what you have written. To put things in perspective, Myanmar is worse than India.
Watchtowers solution? Fly in a helicopter of medics and engineers? Pay for Red Adare to blast a path through the mud? Not quite......
During the floods here in India, the air space was completely closed for air travel for 2 weeks. Only government owned relief supplies and medics could enter the disaster area through air space. The India branch of the WT had to send supplies to the government, who then flew it to the disaster area. As expected, very few of the supplies reached the destination due to corruption in between.
Its solution to this unfolding tragedy was to “make a phone call” to the local “disaster committee,” AKA the local body of elders in the next city, and ask them to go “check” on the congregations affected.
In countries over here, the entire roadway and the air space is closed down due to landslides and mudslides. Internet connections are gutted down. Leave the WT, even the Prime Minister of the country can only use phone lines to give directions.
It was the *local people that put together the food, water and (I imagine, pretty basic) medicine, not Watchtower, It’s local JW funds.
Not true. It is practically impossible for poor local JW’s to come up with tons of food supplies. Even the most basic supplies are sent by the DRC’s operating in the area. Due to thugs and looting, local JW’s are advised not to venture out to the disaster area with supplies.
In countries here in Asia, due to the sorry nature of communication and transport, the WT has set up disaster committees made up of 5 full-time bethelites that live in the area and work remotely for the branch. Each committee has been given enough funds to use when necessary.
The major chunk of the supplies comes from these Disaster committees that get the funds from the WT well in advance before the disasters. In fact, during the 2018 floods in India, a letter was issued to all congregations not to collect and sends any food supplies to the affected areas due to looting and corruption.
Not sure about the western and the European world, but WT’s response to the disasters here in India, Myanmar and other Asian countries is pretty good considering the type of countries these are.
Been there, seen there.
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One simple photo to sum up the heartless and hypocritical attitudes of many Jehovah's Witnesses
by nicolaou in.
this was taken in london yesterday by a twitter user still managing his fade so i can't be more specific than that.
disgusting.
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Please, explain your statement above. Whose life have you seen ruined over claiming, on a social media site, that they knew what was happening in a scene from a picture?
When I said that lives are ruined, I meant the lives of the ones those who are in such photos, not the ones who click the photo. I thought my para was self-explanatory. I have seen young boys and girls hauled before the committee's on the basis of their Facebook photos. I have seen elders incriminating the ones in the photo on purported theories that they deduced out of the photo.
by my reasoning you have no position from which to judge the opinions or emotions of others.
but then you write a 12 paragraph essay telling why my opinion was wrong.
I will not silently tolerate people seeking to create that same vibe out here, where worldly people live.
Then all the best with that. May Jehovah's blessing be on you.
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One simple photo to sum up the heartless and hypocritical attitudes of many Jehovah's Witnesses
by nicolaou in.
this was taken in london yesterday by a twitter user still managing his fade so i can't be more specific than that.
disgusting.
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Drearyweather
I suspect you have also felt all of these ways, simultaneously. I believe you have overstepped because a narrow spectrum of emotion surged to the surface in you, for a moment, and you rationalized a basis for that to be regarded as the "right way" to feel. When someone else has different emotions surge to the surface, that doesn't make their resulting perspectives wrong, or deserving of any correction at all. – Afterburn
Afterburn, The problem with the above logic is that by that reasoning you can excuse any behaviour that an ex-jw displays towards a JW. Because surge of emotions can get better of us. Few months ago, an ex-jw wrote a post of how he followed and yelled at two elderly JW ladies going door-to-door. There were people on the forum that supported his actions saying that since he was hurt by the Watchtower, it was fine if yelling at them made him feel better.
Then there was a post a put up by a guy who clicked a JW sipping coffee while his cart was packed up nearby, showing he had finished his cart witnessing for the day. Instantly everyone started commenting on how that JW should have been preaching and not drinking coffee, while it was clear that he had finished his cart work and was likely waiting for someone.
I don’t believe that my feelings are right and others are wrong. I have lived a JW life myself in all capacities within the organisation, so I know how about all the negative aspects of the organisation. In fact, when I was a teen, i was myself thrown before a committee based on what another ‘sister’ saw me doing. The entire incident had a terrible impact on me and my life then, showing the folly of assuming things that we don’t really know anything about.
Years later, when i became an elder myself, i could see how fellow elders basically write a three page fictional story based on one photo or statement made by a witness in a case. It was like a palaeontologist constructing an entire dinosaur based on a partial jaw bone. I have seen lives wrecked because of this, and that I try to caution anyone who does it. I can understand the surge of emotion, but I feel constraining it and channelling it towards what really matters is something that we all have to learn, or else, we basically become the parallel version of the cult that we left. More worse, we become what the WT wants us to become.
If you feel otherwise, then more power to you.
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2019--June--8--Weekend Meeting--Video--WTBTS-PA
by Atlantis inwatchtower bible and tract society of pa.. weekend meeting-june--8th--2019 speaker announced song at 4 minutes 30 seconds: public talk--is the trinity a scriptural teaching?at 31 minutes 12 seconds--the holy spirit is described as a finger and not on the same plain as jesus and his father.. at 34 minutes 20 seconds--jesus is superior to the holy spirit and jehovah is superior to both.at 35 minutes 20 seconds--public talk ends.. at 35 minutes 40 seconds--song.at 38 minutes 43 seconds--watchtower study.https://we.tl/t-idbbuwjlzi atlantis!
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