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  JW representatives in the Russian Coutroom today for the hearing

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  TheWonderofYou,

  The travel expenses of the high caliber brothers are supposedly payed from the donations boxes where the money of litte girls' saving boxes and widows is collected from one of the hundreds legal entities in Russia.
  

  Yes, the travel expenses of these representatives are taken from contributions of the normal publishers. However, if the ban goes through, the money collected by widows and little girls will be confiscated by the government and widows and girls can be criminalized for meeting together or practicing their beliefs.

  JW's are not forced to contribute money into the donation boxes. Many of Ex-Jws themselves say that they never put any money in the boxes while they were JW's. Its my choice as to whom I want to contribute. If the government seizes the money that i have willfully given to the WT, then thats wrong. Period.

  Have they already given up the matter and agreed to the liquidation of the watchtower in russia, why should they discuss assets and money now? Isnt the subject the religion?

  The subject here also involves the liquidation of the administrative center and the confiscation of the assets of the JW legal entities. So its obvious that discussion about the assets would take place and JW's have to be ready for that.
  

  Is there any PERSECUTION of members of the religion or more about a business activities, assets bla bla?

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  JW representatives in the Russian Coutroom today for the hearing

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  Third from the left: Vasily Kalin (Russian Branch)

  Far right: GB Member Mark Sanderson

  Still waiting for the names of the other guys,

  Just heard from a source: Many branch committee members from the European Association of JW's and other Branches around the world are present in Russia to come in and deliberate if question about the Russian assets are raised (especially those which were financed by other branches).
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  RUSSIA: (5 April 2017) Jehovah's Witnesses hearing under way

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  the trial has begun.

  the crowd on the street (see photo) is now inside and the gallery is packed.. yesterday jehovah's witnesses presented a written legal argument - "objections to the administrative claim of the ministry of justice of the russian federation" - to the supreme court of russia which, in paragraph 254, argued that if the ministry for justice liquidates and bans the activities of jehovah's witnesses then this will force individual members to renounce or abandon their religion for fear of persecution.. download legal argument (russian).

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  In the Russian courtroom today:

  
  
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  RUSSIA: (5 April 2017) Jehovah's Witnesses hearing under way

  by jwleaks in

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  the trial has begun.

  the crowd on the street (see photo) is now inside and the gallery is packed.. yesterday jehovah's witnesses presented a written legal argument - "objections to the administrative claim of the ministry of justice of the russian federation" - to the supreme court of russia which, in paragraph 254, argued that if the ministry for justice liquidates and bans the activities of jehovah's witnesses then this will force individual members to renounce or abandon their religion for fear of persecution.. download legal argument (russian).

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  Yes, even in India each congregation is registered as a separate registered religious trust with a trust deed and a separate legal identity.
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  Russia - JWs Counterclaim

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  the witnesses lodged a counterclaim against their lawsuit on the 30 march, 2017.their argument is that the actions of the ministry of justice against them are 'political repressions'.the following link states "in the lawsuit numerous instances are cited testifying to the fact that prosecution of jehovah's witnesses is politically motivated."http://www2.stetson.edu/~psteeves/relnews/170402a.html.

  it is a contradiction to what they have written in their "political neutrality' leaflet which states.

  jehovah’s witnesses do not involve themselves in political issues or governmental affairs.

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  I'm not sure if I'm right. Political neutrality cannot equate to gullibility or being a silent victim of repression.

  I feel there is a difference between appealing against a law and appealing against the misapplication of a law that would potentially criminalize someone just for practicing their beliefs.

  If I pay taxes to the government, I am entitled to basic civil rights. Paying taxes to the government does not mean i'm getting politically involved with the government, same way, fighting for gaining basic civic liberties does not mean political involvement. At least what I feel.
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  RUSSIA: (5 April 2017) Jehovah's Witnesses hearing under way

  by jwleaks in

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  the trial has begun.

  the crowd on the street (see photo) is now inside and the gallery is packed.. yesterday jehovah's witnesses presented a written legal argument - "objections to the administrative claim of the ministry of justice of the russian federation" - to the supreme court of russia which, in paragraph 254, argued that if the ministry for justice liquidates and bans the activities of jehovah's witnesses then this will force individual members to renounce or abandon their religion for fear of persecution.. download legal argument (russian).

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  Feed of the proceedings:

  https://jw-russia.org/news/17040510-129.html

  10:58	Big beautiful courtroom crowded. There are more than 200 people, including many journalists, representatives of public organizations and foreign embassies. The hearing began at 10:30. A little less than 250 people were left on the street waiting for the results of the hearing. Cook Street in Moscow is filled with cars with transmitting television antennas. Occurring remove numerous chamber. Of police radios periodically hear the message "All is calm, without incident." In the hall representatives of embassies and international organizations in the headphones listening to the process of translation. The case was heard Judge Yuri Ivanenko. The defendant, "the Administrative Center of Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia" are 6 persons, including Vasily Kalin of the Steering Committee, as well as lawyers. The representative of Ministry of Justice of Russia - Svetlana Borisova. Attached to the case with the defendant's objections to the applications in 35 volumes. The court allowed the photographing and video recording only when the announcement of the final act. However, there is no record of obstacles. In the hall there are about 40 members of the media, they occupy the first rows of the audience.
  11:00	The court refused to accept a counter claim for recognition of the Ministry of Justice acts of political repression. The judge described the passage of objections to the claim sufficient measure of protection for the defendant.
  11:15	Representatives of Jehovah's Witnesses apply for admission to participation in the case of representatives of all 395 local religious organizations. Lawyer little wife: "If believers throughout Russia will be deprived of their rights, let them hear it here in court." Local religious organizations, contrary to the logic of the Ministry of Justice, are not the structural units of each other, but separate legal entities.
  11:20	The lawyer Lew gives an example: "The logic of the Ministry of Justice, it turns out, it is necessary to impose a sentence: Shoot chieftain. And his whole platoon. "
  11:25	The court rejected the enlistment of the 395 local organizations as a respondent.
  11:30	Jehovah's Witnesses have asked the court to allow audio broadcasting the trial. The court refused.
  11:35	Lawyers for the Jehovah's Witnesses are asking the court to adjourn the hearing pending the outcome of another case in another court. It is an appeal to the Court of Justice order the suspension of the activities of organizations .
  11:42	The Ministry of Justice objected, because it believes that the authorities had every right to suspend the activities of organizations.
  11:45	The court refused to postpone the hearing.
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  Man answers the door naked when JW's appear..

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  http;www.worlstarhipop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhmg115hx2qp8inyuo.went too far, man answers the door naked when jw's appear..https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=akj2w94el_a...oh hell search, went to far, man answers the door naked when jw's appear, a young black male......it was e-mail to me and i'am using the same address but not working for me,hopefully you will find it.

  a young jw child was present, not good.......

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  Indecent exposure is indecent exposure no matter who's going to who's door. JW's with their kids are not the only strangers coming to our house.

  In such cases, the one exposing must be ready to get involved with the Police.

  http://www.valleynewslive.com/content/news/Man-allegedly-answers-the-door-naked-when-trick-or-treaters-arrive-399417201.html

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4006240/New-Mexico-police-officer-leave-answered-door-naked-pizza-delivery-woman.html
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  About the JW Russian action

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  what i don't get about the russian petition action:.

  watchtower launched at march, 21 the petition action.. in the instructions they write it can take 14 days for postal arrival in russia.. on april, 5 they expect legal clarification from the supreme court.. so, conclusion: the letters will arrive just around the day of clarification.. conclusion: this action is planned for media impact only.

  if it was to make judges think, (what they don't do on a petition cry), .

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  Yes. Even I agree.

  However, recently I discussed this with a friend who had a chat regarding this with a person from the local branch office. JW's have used up all possible legal means to challenge this action. In fact negotiations with Russian officials had been on the cards right from the Moscow liquidation episode. They even had a tract distribution in Russia during that time which was called "Could it Happen Again?- A Question for the Citizens of Russia". Since Supreme Courts in Russia had already ruled unfavorably in many cases involving them, it remains a lost hope for JW's, especially due to the final suspension notice.

  Jw's even made concessions in this. When their publications were put in the Banned list, they did not use it during their meetings and preaching. However, when it comes to basic beliefs, they wouldn't change their doctrines to match up with the extremism definition of Russia. They didn't do this during the Nazis, wont do it now. In fact, there would be no point in having religions revise their doctrines to match the Governments definition of what is extremist and what is not,

  Now, since legal options are almost zero, JW's have started using their so called Theocratic strategy, i.e. invoking a sense of 'family' among other JW's across the world. Spiritually, since all JW's consider themselves as a part of one big brotherhood, they have now used up their final means of direct confrontation. According to some witnesses I know, this letter campaign is not about Putin vs Jws, but Jehovah vs Satan. This campaign is to invoke a sense of solidarity and oneness among the witnesses. The same source mentioned that the Russian branch has already planned an extensive underground Plan B, in case the April 5 decisions goes against them. And this underground activity of JW's is what bothers me the most.
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  About the JW Russian action

  by Gorbatchov in

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  what i don't get about the russian petition action:.

  watchtower launched at march, 21 the petition action.. in the instructions they write it can take 14 days for postal arrival in russia.. on april, 5 they expect legal clarification from the supreme court.. so, conclusion: the letters will arrive just around the day of clarification.. conclusion: this action is planned for media impact only.

  if it was to make judges think, (what they don't do on a petition cry), .

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  Depends on what type of postal service was used for sending the letters and from which part of the world the letters are sent.

  From my congregation (India), 200 individuals letters were sent through registered speed post, sent on 23rd March and was delivered to Kremlin on 30th March.

  Regarding media attention, they themselves admit in their press release:

  “The Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses wants to heighten attention to this critical situation,” states David A. Semonian, a spokesman at the Witnesses’ world headquarters.

  https://www.jw.org/en/news/releases/by-region/russia/jw-mobilize-global-response-to-threat-of-ban/