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  RUSSIA: (6 April 2017) Day 2 - Jehovah's Witnesses hearing under way

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  tighter security today and much greater police presence.

  great weather.. .

  lunchtime view over moscow.. .

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  The judge asks the representative of the Ministry of Justice a counter question: why does the Ministry of Justice ask both to liquidate the legal entity and to prohibit their activities. The judge is perplexed: how can you ban what does not exist. He clarifies whether the Ministry of Justice also demands that all unregistered groups be banned. The representative of the Ministry of Justice explains that he does not ask them to be banned, because Jehovah's Witnesses did not provide the department with information about unregistered groups.

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  A new clarifying question of the judge: on what grounds does the Ministry of Justice apply a pre-judicial approach to the Management Center, if the center was not involved in participation in cases. The prejudice is applicable in the case of decisions that have already entered into force (that is, the court relies on them as already on the established fact) only with respect to the same subjects of law. Accordingly, the decisions made by the courts in respect of MPOs can not have a prejudicial effect on a centralized organization.

  
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  The representative of the Ministry of Justice argues that the Administrative Center knew about these cases, and the lawyers of the center attended them.

  
  
  
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  RUSSIA: (5 April 2017) Jehovah's Witnesses hearing under way

  by jwleaks in

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  the trial has begun.

  the crowd on the street (see photo) is now inside and the gallery is packed.. yesterday jehovah's witnesses presented a written legal argument - "objections to the administrative claim of the ministry of justice of the russian federation" - to the supreme court of russia which, in paragraph 254, argued that if the ministry for justice liquidates and bans the activities of jehovah's witnesses then this will force individual members to renounce or abandon their religion for fear of persecution.. download legal argument (russian).

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  12:00

  The weather in Moscow is warm and sunny. Near the entrance to the court a large number of people were formed. Television journalists work. Among those present, there is a calm, friendly atmosphere. Noticeable increased security measures. Directly at the entrance there is a bus with police officers. At the entrance is a thorough search. Inside the building, no liquids are allowed to pass through. Employees of the Supreme Court, organizing hearings, carry out their work professionally and in harmony. Despite the large number of listeners, there are no failures.
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  Russia - JWs Counterclaim

  by Listener in

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  the witnesses lodged a counterclaim against their lawsuit on the 30 march, 2017.their argument is that the actions of the ministry of justice against them are 'political repressions'.the following link states "in the lawsuit numerous instances are cited testifying to the fact that prosecution of jehovah's witnesses is politically motivated."http://www2.stetson.edu/~psteeves/relnews/170402a.html.

  it is a contradiction to what they have written in their "political neutrality' leaflet which states.

  jehovah’s witnesses do not involve themselves in political issues or governmental affairs.

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  Venus,

  The difference over here is that government is criminalising JWs , not shunning them.
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  JW representatives in the Russian Coutroom today for the hearing

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  TheWonderofYou,

  There are two points in the case:

  1. Declare JWs as an extremist organisation

  2. Liquidate the administrative centre.

  Both are being discussed in the court. The faith and the organization both are to be declared as extremist. Bethel and other assets will be confiscated and individual JWs practicing their faith will be criminalized.
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  JW representatives in the Russian Coutroom today for the hearing

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  TheWonderofYou,

  The travel expenses of the high caliber brothers are supposedly payed from the donations boxes where the money of litte girls' saving boxes and widows is collected from one of the hundreds legal entities in Russia.
  

  Yes, the travel expenses of these representatives are taken from contributions of the normal publishers. However, if the ban goes through, the money collected by widows and little girls will be confiscated by the government and widows and girls can be criminalized for meeting together or practicing their beliefs.

  JW's are not forced to contribute money into the donation boxes. Many of Ex-Jws themselves say that they never put any money in the boxes while they were JW's. Its my choice as to whom I want to contribute. If the government seizes the money that i have willfully given to the WT, then thats wrong. Period.

  Have they already given up the matter and agreed to the liquidation of the watchtower in russia, why should they discuss assets and money now? Isnt the subject the religion?

  The subject here also involves the liquidation of the administrative center and the confiscation of the assets of the JW legal entities. So its obvious that discussion about the assets would take place and JW's have to be ready for that.
  

  Is there any PERSECUTION of members of the religion or more about a business activities, assets bla bla?

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  JW representatives in the Russian Coutroom today for the hearing

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  Third from the left: Vasily Kalin (Russian Branch)

  Far right: GB Member Mark Sanderson

  Still waiting for the names of the other guys,

  Just heard from a source: Many branch committee members from the European Association of JW's and other Branches around the world are present in Russia to come in and deliberate if question about the Russian assets are raised (especially those which were financed by other branches).
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  JW representatives in the Russian Coutroom today for the hearing

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  RUSSIA: (5 April 2017) Jehovah's Witnesses hearing under way

  by jwleaks in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the trial has begun.

  the crowd on the street (see photo) is now inside and the gallery is packed.. yesterday jehovah's witnesses presented a written legal argument - "objections to the administrative claim of the ministry of justice of the russian federation" - to the supreme court of russia which, in paragraph 254, argued that if the ministry for justice liquidates and bans the activities of jehovah's witnesses then this will force individual members to renounce or abandon their religion for fear of persecution.. download legal argument (russian).

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  In the Russian courtroom today:

  
  
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  RUSSIA: (5 April 2017) Jehovah's Witnesses hearing under way

  by jwleaks in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the trial has begun.

  the crowd on the street (see photo) is now inside and the gallery is packed.. yesterday jehovah's witnesses presented a written legal argument - "objections to the administrative claim of the ministry of justice of the russian federation" - to the supreme court of russia which, in paragraph 254, argued that if the ministry for justice liquidates and bans the activities of jehovah's witnesses then this will force individual members to renounce or abandon their religion for fear of persecution.. download legal argument (russian).

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  Yes, even in India each congregation is registered as a separate registered religious trust with a trust deed and a separate legal identity.
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  Russia - JWs Counterclaim

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the witnesses lodged a counterclaim against their lawsuit on the 30 march, 2017.their argument is that the actions of the ministry of justice against them are 'political repressions'.the following link states "in the lawsuit numerous instances are cited testifying to the fact that prosecution of jehovah's witnesses is politically motivated."http://www2.stetson.edu/~psteeves/relnews/170402a.html.

  it is a contradiction to what they have written in their "political neutrality' leaflet which states.

  jehovah’s witnesses do not involve themselves in political issues or governmental affairs.

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  Drearyweather

  I'm not sure if I'm right. Political neutrality cannot equate to gullibility or being a silent victim of repression.

  I feel there is a difference between appealing against a law and appealing against the misapplication of a law that would potentially criminalize someone just for practicing their beliefs.

  If I pay taxes to the government, I am entitled to basic civil rights. Paying taxes to the government does not mean i'm getting politically involved with the government, same way, fighting for gaining basic civic liberties does not mean political involvement. At least what I feel.