Not all people who are awake leave the JW's. (PIMO)
Not all people who leave the JW's are awake. (POMI)
Drearyweather
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Family members return to the cult years after not being assoicated.
by blownaway ini have a couple of family members who not so much went back but never were associated and joined.
one is a cousin, he is about 60 now.
maybe a bit older.
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"This Good news Of The Kingdom Will Be Preached In All The Inhabited Earth" ........
by smiddy3 in..".for a witness to all the nations and then the end will come" .matt.24:14.. the religion of jehovah`s witnesses kid themselves into thinking they are filling or have fulfilled this prophecy/scripture .. given that you take the jehovah`s witnesses and the international bible students association as one and the same religion , then they have been preaching their message primarily within lands that are predominantly christian based.....and certainly do not cover "all the inhabited earth " as their are many populous non christian nations nations that do not allow, even forbid any proselytizing in their lands.
i would estimate about one third of the current world population.. but that is not all .. given that you take the jehovah`s witnesses and the international bible students association as one and the same religion ,then they have about 140 years of preaching their beliefs to the public specifically to preach "this good news of the kingdom " as they claim to do in obedience to j.c.commands at matt.24:14.. take a survey no matter where you live on this planet earth of the people in your locality and if you asked them "what was the message jehovah`s witnesses left you and no one would be able to say "they told me about and explained to me the good news of the kingdom" and what it would mean to me.. no one would be able to say that .after 140 years of preaching and witnessing by what is now 8 million plus jehovah`s witnesses .. what a waste of time and energy and lives .. after 140 years of preaching what do the public know about jehovah`s witnesses ?.
they don`t take blood transfusions .
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Drearyweather
then they have been preaching their message primarily within lands that are predominantly Christian based..
Yes. But JW's are present with branch offices in the most populous Muslim country in the world (Indonesia) and the most populous Hindu country in the world (India). I should say JW's were present in countries like China, North Korea, Afganistan till the time they are persecuted. When persecuted JW's are not obligated by Jesus to remain in that country since Jesus said in Matthew 10:23: When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another."
as their are many populous non Christian nations nations that do not allow, even forbid any proselytizing in their lands.
There are 2 lines of reasoning given for these countries which don't have much witnessing work going on:
1. Not all territories will be preached before the end.
*** w97 8/15 p. 14 par. 11 Living for Today or for an Eternal Future?***
True, untouched territories still exist, and perhaps in Jehovah’s due time, a door of opportunity will open. (1 Corinthians 16:9) Still, Jesus’ words recorded at Matthew 10:23 are sobering: “You will by no means complete the circuit of the cities of Israel until the Son of man arrives.” While the good news will surely be announced throughout the earth, we will not in person reach all parts of the earth with the Kingdom message before Jesus “arrives” as Executioner.
2. Countries that don't allow preaching activity bear community responsibility for their actions - the way Egyptians suffered the 10 plagues because of Pharoah's hard-heartedness.
No one would be able to say "They told me about and explained to me the Good news of the Kingdom" and what it would mean to me.
Jw's have been conditioned to reason that they are not responsible for how people react to their message. They need to get going with the work no matter what people say about them. 2 Thess 1:8 is a favorite scripture that says Jesus will take vengeance on those who do not obey the good news. So if people don't remember the good news then it's the people's mistake. Same as if you forget your medicines then it is your mistake, not the doctors.
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Newsweek: JW wives in Russia send letter to Putin advisor
by OrphanCrow inthis article is dated june 7, 2018 and is likely a lead up to the bear ripping the jw bible article.
http://www.newsweek.com/wives-jehovahs-witnesses-jailed-russia-send-letter-putin-adviser-begging-end-965516.
the wives of jehovah’s witnesses rounded up and imprisoned in russia have written an open letter to a top adviser of president vladimir putin, asking him to stop the campaign of terror against the religious group.“this open letter to you is a cry of desperation.
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Drearyweather
How likely is it that these JW women (who can't even touch the sacred elder book) actually wrote this letter on their own initiative?
I think even if the org took the initiative, if all these women have signed it, then that is their voice.
This goes with any petition that we sign, someone takes the initiative and many of them sign it, it's a collective voice.
Women have no power whatsoever in making any kind of decision concerning the org and yet here they are - trotted out to be the voice of Russian JWs.
Yes, they are trotted out because these specific women are the ones impacted by the Russian ban - their husbands are behind bars now. Isn't that the way protests and petitions are made - the victims become the voice? Why was Candace Conti a voice for a child abuse policy changes?
doubtfull1799: I have taken the liberty of re-writing the letter from our perspective:
I don't agree that Russia's banning and criminalizing of JW's is similar to the Shunning policy of JW's.
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talked to jw woman on corner then later family fight with jw dad
by JunkYardDog ini had to go into a office close to a supermarket on a very high traffic expressway with next to no persons on the street anyway ever near.
i see this jw lady about 65 yrs old standing there alone with 2 bags of groceries staring at the catholic church one side across the interstate road and the kh across the other side of the highway.
cross bronx expressway.
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Drearyweather
JYD. I repeat, there is no need to be that mad here. No one is your enemy. For many posters, this is a place to heal.
The style of all your past posts that I have read seems that you have lost a great deal in your life to the WT. I am sorry for that. You are right to be angry at the WT, but don't be angry and mad at anyone or everyone here who disagrees. That way you are just imitating the style of the WT that you left. Let's tolerate each other. I again apologize if I have hurt you. That was not my intention.
Next time maybe I'll just read your posts and move on. I hope you gain happiness in your life through your activism. But in my opinion, life is not all about trashing your ex-religion each an every moment. Let's celebrate whatever is left in this small life and enjoy these moments!!!.. All the best to you and Cheer up now:)
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talked to jw woman on corner then later family fight with jw dad
by JunkYardDog ini had to go into a office close to a supermarket on a very high traffic expressway with next to no persons on the street anyway ever near.
i see this jw lady about 65 yrs old standing there alone with 2 bags of groceries staring at the catholic church one side across the interstate road and the kh across the other side of the highway.
cross bronx expressway.
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Drearyweather
Again.
JYD, Why do you need to shout and cuss if someone asks you something?
I am not experienced like you. Maybe my question was not right or too sarcastic. I apologize if it hurt you in some way.
But why the need to use profanities while replying?
My point was, you stopped your car twice by a 65-year-old lady with 2 grocery bags and ask her about wts child abuse rather than asking her for a ride/drop home or knowing if she needs any help. That I think was not polite.
If you think I am wrong, then reply in a civil manner rather than shouting back.
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talked to jw woman on corner then later family fight with jw dad
by JunkYardDog ini had to go into a office close to a supermarket on a very high traffic expressway with next to no persons on the street anyway ever near.
i see this jw lady about 65 yrs old standing there alone with 2 bags of groceries staring at the catholic church one side across the interstate road and the kh across the other side of the highway.
cross bronx expressway.
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Drearyweather
Your a dope
your a jw ass kisser
YOUR AN IDIOT
I just asked you whether you were teasing her and you reply by giving me a barrage of expletives.Is this your normal way of confronting someone?
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talked to jw woman on corner then later family fight with jw dad
by JunkYardDog ini had to go into a office close to a supermarket on a very high traffic expressway with next to no persons on the street anyway ever near.
i see this jw lady about 65 yrs old standing there alone with 2 bags of groceries staring at the catholic church one side across the interstate road and the kh across the other side of the highway.
cross bronx expressway.
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Drearyweather
she didn't get it,
If I am reading correctly, you saw a 65-year-old JW lady standing with 2 grocery bags at the side of the highway, and you went and ask her if she is standing there and counting time? and then you ask her about the child abuse in the WT?
Really?? Were you teasing her?
I don't think that was polite.
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Drearyweather
I am not sure if this practice is something new. Since the very beginning symbols have been used by JW's prominently. Like the cross and crown symbol, then the Watchtower logo on Bethel buildings and now the JW.Org posters and QR code like in this instance.
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Supreme Court Rules in Favor of Baker Who Refused to Bake Cake for Gay Couple
by Simon inseems like such an obviously correct decision to overturn the previous overreach - it should never have been necessary to go to the supreme court but happened because the rights of the religious were being ignored.. as the fundamental level, no one should be able to compel you to work for them or to provide services that go against your beliefs, and certainly not have the government be able to force you to comply.. if this was allowed there would be so many unreconcilable situations that would clog up courts over nonsense.. i also have little patience for these activists that intentionally look to be offended.
it really doesn't do their cause any good to go round looking to make trouble for people.
it's also misguided because it ends up strengthening religious rights over effectively stupid issues.. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/04/us/politics/supreme-court-sides-with-baker-who-turned-away-gay-couple.html.
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Drearyweather
An interesting comment made by Solicitor General Noel Francisco: "Accordingly, the government may not enact content-based laws commanding a speaker to engage in a protected expression: An artist cannot be forced to paint, a musician cannot be forced to play, and a poet cannot be forced to write."
So many what if scenarios to contend with.
What if the gay couple approached a Christian musician and asked him to play music at their gay wedding?
Or What if they approached a professional emcee to compere at their gay wedding and the emcee refuses?
Does abiding by non-discrimination law mean that you should abandon your religious beliefs?
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Supreme Court Rules in Favor of Baker Who Refused to Bake Cake for Gay Couple
by Simon inseems like such an obviously correct decision to overturn the previous overreach - it should never have been necessary to go to the supreme court but happened because the rights of the religious were being ignored.. as the fundamental level, no one should be able to compel you to work for them or to provide services that go against your beliefs, and certainly not have the government be able to force you to comply.. if this was allowed there would be so many unreconcilable situations that would clog up courts over nonsense.. i also have little patience for these activists that intentionally look to be offended.
it really doesn't do their cause any good to go round looking to make trouble for people.
it's also misguided because it ends up strengthening religious rights over effectively stupid issues.. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/04/us/politics/supreme-court-sides-with-baker-who-turned-away-gay-couple.html.
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Drearyweather
Seems that the Colorado Commission is fine if a baker (who supported LGBT community) refused to bake cakes with anti-gay messages, but doesn't agree if a religious baker refuses to bake cakes for gay weddings.
Am I right?
Something that I read in the supreme court ruling:
"Another indication of hostility is the different treatment of Phillips’ case and the cases of other bakers with objections to anti-gay messages who prevailed before the Commission. The Commission ruled against Phillips in part on the theory that any message on the requested wedding cake would be attributed to the customer, not to the baker. Yet the Division did not address this point in any of the cases involving requests for cakes depicting anti-gay marriage symbolism." - Page 2