Posts by Drearyweather

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Serving where the need is great or serving where their needs are great?

by truthseeker in

jw
friends

have any of you come across this rare breed of jw?.

i know a brother who spends 9 months of the year living in a caribbean island where he is an active jw and then he flies back to his home european country for 3 months to work and save up so he can fly back out again.

he is an active jw in his home country.. he's not a missionary and has never been to gilead though he attended pioneer school back in the '90s.

Drearyweather

I sometimes wonder if the friends who go abroad to serve "where the need is great" are not simply going because "their needs are great."

Would be fair on this. These JW's spend their own money so they are welcome to go where they want. At least they not like cedars who was asking for money from child abuse victims for his book and was seen holidaying in Venice.

One cannot discredit them simply because the country has good beaches or has good tourist destinations. There are good beaches in India too, and there are many young American and British JW's who have come here to preach. Mind you, it's a complete shit hole of a country and having good tourist destinations doesn't make your life automatically enjoyable.

There are many JW's who actually live and preach in dirt poor countries. In many third world countries, the growth has been attributed to these need greaters.

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JWs - Followers of Men - 100% Proof

by BourneIdentity in

for those that are convinced they are not following man, but jehovah, this example is 100% proof they follow men.

if they twist this to say they don't follow man, well, there is no hope for them.. the bible is very clear to honor your father and mother, it was and is so important, it's listed as one of the 10 commandments.

when that parent leaves the truth, either due to disassociation or being disfellowshipped, the child shuns them for life.

Drearyweather

And what if a parent sexually abuses the child and gets disfellowshipped? Would you still want the child to honor that parent?

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My mom

by vienne in

i'm annie, rachael's daughter.

mom died yesterday.

i can't find a way to delete her account here.

Drearyweather

My deepest condolences. Surely a great loss. I was always left speechless with the level of detail that she had about the WT.

She had even the most intricate details of the WT in the late 1800s and I communicated with her over many of these details.

Will miss her contribution here very much

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Two For One!

by snugglebunny in

back in the day - yeah, i know, most things i write start like that!

however - back in the day there was an implicit rule ratio of 2 to 1 when it came to counting time.

two witnesses witnessing to one person for one hour would count one hour each.

Drearyweather

Two witnesses witnessing to one person for one hour would count one hour each.

I don't think anything is wrong with that counting. In an office, if 2 people are working on 1 project for 8 hours each, the client is billed for 16 hours of productive time.

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"The messiah" was to come from the "line of David" right??

by stuckinarut2 in

a huge realization hit me the other day while listening to a podcast that discussed the "lineage of jesus".. according to the bible, "the messiah" was to come through king davids lineage.

but, if you wade through the entire chapter of matthew that lists "son of ...son of...son of...etc", it becomes obvious that jesus did not come through davids line at all!.

in fact, that lineage lists jospeh (mary's husband) as being in davids line.

Drearyweather

So then does that make Mary an adulteress ? Was she guilty of porneia ? a whore ?

No.

Adultery is defined as "a voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and a person who is not their spouse."

porneia is a Greek word which refers to unlawful sexual intercourse

whore is a woman who engages in sexual acts for money.

To qualify for the above three parameters, sexual intercourse is necessary. Mary didn't have that. Hence she cannot be called the above.

In modern days, we have surrogate mothers who bears a child on behalf of another woman, from her own egg fertilized by the other woman's partner/husband, without any sexual intercourse. Would you call a surrogate mother an adulteress or a whore?

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"The messiah" was to come from the "line of David" right??

by stuckinarut2 in

a huge realization hit me the other day while listening to a podcast that discussed the "lineage of jesus".. according to the bible, "the messiah" was to come through king davids lineage.

but, if you wade through the entire chapter of matthew that lists "son of ...son of...son of...etc", it becomes obvious that jesus did not come through davids line at all!.

in fact, that lineage lists jospeh (mary's husband) as being in davids line.

Drearyweather

In fact, that lineage lists JOSPEH (Mary's husband) as being in Davids line.

But Mary, who gave birth to Jesus, was a descendant of David.

Mary never gave consent. and so was effectively raped by Jehovah

Wrong.

Before her impregnation, angel Gabriel told Mary that she would be impregnated by the Holy Spirit. Mary told the following words to the angel Gabriel, which shows she consented to it:

Then Mary said: “Look! Jehovah’s slave girl! May it happen to me according to your declaration.” Luke 1:38

So that was not rape. At verse 47, Mary says that she was 'overjoyed' with this news.

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Suicide Attempts

by APieceOfShitNamedTate in

does anyone know if the new elders' manual addresses attempted suicide?

in the previous manual, it was seen as a potential judicial matter, which is absolutely ridiculous.

have they changed it?

Drearyweather

Where is professional help even mentioned??

Read the references given after the sentence - g 4/14 pages 6-9. It mentions about getting professional help.

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Suicide Attempts

by APieceOfShitNamedTate in

does anyone know if the new elders' manual addresses attempted suicide?

in the previous manual, it was seen as a potential judicial matter, which is absolutely ridiculous.

have they changed it?

Drearyweather

Even if they say that in most cases a judicial hearing is not required, why even put it in that category?

Because in many cases judicial action is required. In a congregation in my city, a child abuser attempted suicide once he got to know that he has been outed. His attempt to suicide was a hoax to claim mental depression and wiggle out of a JC and the law. While elders were dealing with him compassionately, the police officers arrested him and gave him a beating of his life. He is behind bars.

The judicial hearing will not be for the attempted suicide, but for the reason behind it. and the reason behind attempting suicide or a pretense of attempting suicide is not always depression.

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7 Jehovah’s Witnesses Brutally Tortured in Russia

by Drearyweather in

https://jw-russia.org/en/news/19021923-622.html.

at least seven of jehovah’s witnesses were subjected to torture—electric shocks, suffocation, and cruel beatings—on the first floor of the russian investigative committee’s building at ul.

ostrovskogo, d. 47, in surgut.

Drearyweather

No mention is made how they intend to give them financial aid or assistance to get JWs out of Russia. - Listener

Really Listener? You really feel that Watchtower should publicly provide the details of its plans regarding their adherents in Russia who are banned as extremists?

Now that's another irony.

We caution people on this site not to divulge personal details due to the presence of so-called "Watchtower spies".

But...

We want an organisation to spill out their plans to protect their members against a totalitarian regime?

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7 Jehovah’s Witnesses Brutally Tortured in Russia

by Drearyweather in

https://jw-russia.org/en/news/19021923-622.html.

at least seven of jehovah’s witnesses were subjected to torture—electric shocks, suffocation, and cruel beatings—on the first floor of the russian investigative committee’s building at ul.

ostrovskogo, d. 47, in surgut.

Drearyweather

I recall some only said they really weren't that concerned about their plight,, I being one. - Brokeback

What should I say to this?

You say that you are not concerned about the torture of JW's in Russia. You don't give 2 farts to these JW's.

But...

When a JW is asked to leave Bethel, you get all concerned about these JW's to the point of thinking about a lawsuit to be filed against WT:

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5930217349578752/lawsuits-dismissal-from-corporation-best-years-service-no-benefits-under-required-signing-vow-poverty#/6202452408795136

Isn't that ironic?