Posts by Guard

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How many TRUE BELIEVERS do you think are left in the Organization?

by pistolpete in

i have a few jw relatives who are true believers.

by this i mean, they believe with all their heart that 1914 was the beginning of the last days, that this is the last generation, that we are in the very last of the last hour of this system of things, and that you should obey the governing body even if it does not make sense.

all of them are in their 60s and up into their 90s there is nothing you can say or show them to convince them or even cause a small doubt that the wt is not god organization.

Guard

Only a complete overhaul of all the doctrines, will allow such a religion that is sustained by “Last days that started in 1914 ideology” ----------- to survive.

A complete revision of all doctrines will no longer help as long as all those who remember the past are alive. Who should survive? The organization or its main beneficiaries? :)

False teachers have been parasitizing Christ's teachings for hundreds of years, and the Watchtower has been parasitizing Russell's teachings for more than a century. The next body they will eat may be someone else. But the good thing about the Bible is that you can't just turn it out, and stay clean in the information age. Even if you make a new "translation". Therefore, the problem is not in ideas and not in teachings but in parasites.

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I have read and re read acts chap.15 and for the life of me I can't find the part about the 1st century governing body!

by nowwhat? in

i cannot find the verse where it talks about several self appointed men that went behind closed doors to render their decision regarding circumcision.

all i see is that it was the apostles, older men and the congregation that came to a decision.

perfect example of why we need the governing body today.

Guard

They have made themselves the governing body. However, there are people who want someone to lead them all their lives. Such people remain spiritual babies forever. Then they will say, " The faithful servant whom You gave us, he gave us this food, and we ate it."

Therefore, God does not love evil and deliberately immature people.

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How many TRUE BELIEVERS do you think are left in the Organization?

by pistolpete in

i have a few jw relatives who are true believers.

by this i mean, they believe with all their heart that 1914 was the beginning of the last days, that this is the last generation, that we are in the very last of the last hour of this system of things, and that you should obey the governing body even if it does not make sense.

all of them are in their 60s and up into their 90s there is nothing you can say or show them to convince them or even cause a small doubt that the wt is not god organization.

Guard

Hopeless1

I... often felt like reaching out to encourage so many of you, held back by fear I guess, - please forgive me,

It's not your fault. Guilt is the tool that liars use to control their victims. They make up rules, and they blame you if you break those rules. In true Christianity, there is no list of rules, and therefore no sense of guilt. Therefore, Christians need to learn to live by the Spirit, not by the rules.

Do you know the difference between Spirit and rules? The spirit is different from the law, just as the wind is different from the sail. So take your wings and take off.

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I don't speak English, but I want to communicate with my spiritual brothers. I am not an anointed one, I am not a prophet, I am a simple man. I hate it when people make idols of other people. I just wait The God`s Kingdom.

On guard

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How many TRUE BELIEVERS do you think are left in the Organization?

by pistolpete in

i have a few jw relatives who are true believers.

by this i mean, they believe with all their heart that 1914 was the beginning of the last days, that this is the last generation, that we are in the very last of the last hour of this system of things, and that you should obey the governing body even if it does not make sense.

all of them are in their 60s and up into their 90s there is nothing you can say or show them to convince them or even cause a small doubt that the wt is not god organization.

Guard

Interestingly, when we talk about the depth of delusion, we need to understand that the real sons of light do not have delusion. Because they are in the light. They are in the light because they hate lies. Being in the light does not mean the deepest understanding of prophecies or other things, although it is very desirable. To be in the light means to hate evil.

Probably only the laziest did not say that GB is an exact likeness of the man of lawlessness. After all, it is clear from the text of Paul that the man of lawlessness is directly connected with the preaching of the false parousia.

The most interesting words are written further: around the man of lawlessness gather only those who perish who do not love the truth.

Therefore, the moment must come when ALL TRUE BELIEVERS must leave the organization. As Jesus said, every tree that My Father did not plant will be uprooted. The true believers are the life and blood of the organization. That's why it dies, because the true believers leave it. If not literally, then mentally. And the passivity of people is the basis for the fact that any business will stop and die.

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More JW left ideology examples

by neat blue dog in

the latest gb update ramps up the fear of the plandemic even more, and introduces a whiteboard animation that advocates staying at home, wearing masks and social distancing.. https://www.jw.org/finder?locale=en&category=latestvideos&item=pub-jwb_202012_12_video&docid=1011214&applanguage=e.

then there's another 'save the planet' type article that mentions debunked and unrealistic green new deal-esque talking points such as alternative energy, switching to a plant based diet and less manufacturing.. https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/peace-happiness/save-earth/.

Guard

I generally think that the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses is a testing ground. Ideally, it illustrates a "New World" in which everyone sits in front of a smartphone screen and happily agrees to every word. When people talk about communism, they don't know that it was a universal state religion, which is incredibly similar to the watchtower religion. Even the music was shockingly similar to the Watchtower's tunes.

Therefore, I think that the events in the watchtower are a prototype of what should be built everywhere. And the false prophets of the Watchtower also preach a New World, not the Kingdom of God! The kingdom of God came to them in 1914, now they are waiting for the "New World". They even named their translation of the Bible that way! And none of them think that the term "New World" is not biblical. As Paul said, a small leaven leavens the whole dough, and you need to be really perceptive to see it in such dangerous little things. But we are talking about our future!

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More JW left ideology examples

by neat blue dog in

the latest gb update ramps up the fear of the plandemic even more, and introduces a whiteboard animation that advocates staying at home, wearing masks and social distancing.. https://www.jw.org/finder?locale=en&category=latestvideos&item=pub-jwb_202012_12_video&docid=1011214&applanguage=e.

then there's another 'save the planet' type article that mentions debunked and unrealistic green new deal-esque talking points such as alternative energy, switching to a plant based diet and less manufacturing.. https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/peace-happiness/save-earth/.

Guard

You know, brothers, I lived back in the days of communism in the USSR. But what is being built now does not look like that communism at all. This is something new, which has no name and no analogues in the past.

The saddest thing is that it really looks like totalitarianism, which is succinctly described in Revelation. No one knows when the predicted will come true, but everything happens like in a fairy tale: the further, the scarier. The most important thing is that all this horror is happening in the minds of people, generating great despondency. Truly, only the real Kingdom of God can heal this tormented planet.

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How many TRUE BELIEVERS do you think are left in the Organization?

by pistolpete in

i have a few jw relatives who are true believers.

by this i mean, they believe with all their heart that 1914 was the beginning of the last days, that this is the last generation, that we are in the very last of the last hour of this system of things, and that you should obey the governing body even if it does not make sense.

all of them are in their 60s and up into their 90s there is nothing you can say or show them to convince them or even cause a small doubt that the wt is not god organization.

Guard

I am convinced that faith and religion are directly opposite concepts. Religion is not a Christian concept.

True Christianity is not a religion. True Christianity is the acquisition of the mind of Christ. This is the path from receiving the right beginnings of Christ’s teaching to achieving full love for the Father and personal maturity.

Therefore, "true religion" is a myth.

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Mt 10:18 / JWdom

by Magnum in

mt 10:18 (nwt):.

and you will be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a witness to them and the nations.. how has this worked out for jwdom?

i always got the impression that jws would be brought before governments and would give some kind of grand, impressive witness.

Guard

Jesus gave these instructions to the apostles several times. Obviously, Matthew 10: 18 is a repetition of Mark 13:9-13, which is a direct reference to Matthew 24:14. And it is also a reference to Revelation 11: 3-6.

Sorry, I don't speak English, but I also don't want to create any sects. I'm just sharing information.

Pay attention to this:

Of course, religious believers like Jehovah’s Witnesses will object that “worldwide preaching necessarily requires an organization“. Taught by the Watchtower, they truly believe it. But the Bible does not have this view in any way.

The two prophets of the Apocalypse are not called “two olives” for nothing (Revelation 11:4). This directly refers to the 4th chapter of the prophet Zechariah, where the prophet was shown a vision of a lamp with “two olives”, which symbolized “two anointed ones”, i.e. holy ones (Zechariah 4:1-4,11-14). The term “two olives”, which is repeated in both texts, is never repeated in the rest of the Scriptures. And that clearly indicates, that in these texts Zechariah and John speak of the same saints and anointed servants of Jehovah.

In this connection, it is interesting that, in response to Zechariah’s question “what is this?“, the angel said to the prophet:

“This is the word of Jehovah to Zerubbabel, saying, “Not by a military force, nor by power, but by my spirit,” Jehovah of armies has said. (Zechariah 4:6, NWT).

From this it is clear that the preaching of the holy ones will not be guided by an earthly organization, but solely by the Spirit of the Most High. However, we see another confirmation of this in the prophecy of Jesus, who answered the question of the apostles about the signs of the “end of the age”:

Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes in various places, and famines. These are the beginning of birth pains. “You must be on your guard. You will be handed over to the local councils and flogged in the synagogues. On account of me you will stand before governors and kings as witnesses to them. And the gospel must first be preached to all nations. Whenever you are arrested and brought to trial, do not worry beforehand about what to say. Just say whatever is given you at the time, for it is not you speaking, but the Holy Spirit. (Mark 13:8-11, New International Version)

Note that Jesus also says that it is not so much the chosen ones themselves who will speak, but the Holy spirit through them. This confirms Zechariah’s prophecy that the word of Jehovah will be proclaimed not by an army, nor by a power (or organization), but exclusively by the Holy Spirit.

Is this prophecy fulfilled on Jehovah’s Witnesses?

Contrary to the command of Jesus Christ, Jehovah’s Witnesses carefully rehearse all their preaching speeches. And they always prepare for the courts, using the services of lawyers. Can such blatant disobedience to Christ be called the fulfillment of His prophecies? Can we call their preaching guided by the Holy spirit? The answer is obvious: no way!

If in the first century preaching was conducted by the disciples of Christ, guided and anointed by the Holy Spirit, so why should it be otherwise in the “time of the end”? The Spirit of God guides only those in whom it lives. Therefore, the real preaching will be delivered only by those who are truly guided by the Spirit of God – sincerely and with willing obedience to Him.

How will these last Holy preachers appear?

The answer to this question is already partially contained in the above phrase of Christ. When Jesus has predicted the last preaching, He calls it “the beginning of birth pains” (Translation of these words is more correct in the New International Version Bible, than in New World Translation of Watchtower Society.). This is very important because it’s about the birth of the Holy nation, whose Father is God Himself, and the mother was “barren, not born” celestial “wife of God” (Galatians 4:22-31, Isaiah 49:14-22, 54:1-5). This “wife” figuratively describes the entire family of His faithful heavenly creatures. And this is correct, because the heavenly creatures do not give birth to children that God will adopt and make part of his heavenly family. This family named “heavenly Jerusalem” or “heavenly Zion”.

Although Jehovah’s Witnesses teach that this nation was already born within their organization in the early 20th century, it is clear that they are mistaken. This people has never been born yet, because the real “Time of the End” and, accordingly, the predicted “beginning of birth pains” have never happened yet.

Their birth is the moment of sealing by the Holy Spirit, described in the 7th Chapter of Revelation, where angels seal the chosen ones. And also in the 12th Chapter of Revelation, where the heavenly “woman clothed in the sun” and surrounded by the moon and 12 stars, gives birth to her Royal child. The sun, moon, and 12 stars remind us of Joseph’s dream (Genesis 37:9). From this dream, it is obvious that such symbolism says in analogy with the ancient type: “the wife” from the 12th Chapter of Revelation is “Israel”. But the fact that she gives birth in heaven best proves that this is the “heavenly Israel” – a family of faithful heavenly creatures who throughout history accompany (or figuratively “give birth”, i.e. carrying) faithful earthly servants.

Therefore, as Isaiah says (and not only he), they will be gathered from all Nations. And enlightened by Jesus for the final preaching.

This was recorded in Matthew 24:14. And this good news will be preached to all nations... By whom and when?

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Interestingly, at the same time, the stupid prophet e-Watchman wrote that the false preaching of Jehovah's Witnesses is "saving": https://web.archive.org/web/20201006214153/e-watchman.com

When he read the above article his rhetoric changed! It has become even more inflated. Like the false prophets of the Watchtower, he began to plaster the wall of his own interpretations. The real prophets directed people's attention to Jehovah. And Robert King directs people's attention to the Watchtower. Although he understood a lot of things correctly, it is obvious that he is the shadow prophet of the Watchtower, at least.

Because the real sermon predicted by Christ (Matthew 24:14) is yet to come.

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The Gentile Times are The Time of The End!

by Guard in

hello, brothers.

i don't speak english, but i really want to share what i have.

so sorry for mistakes and style.. so, the all detected parallels (exact connections) between the quotes of daniel 11:44-12:7 and revelation 11:2-18 are:.

Guard

@Jehalapeno

We can now explore my personality for a long time, but in the context of the topic, it does not matter. The topic uses a whole series of analogies, and their number says that they are far from random.

@GregW

Yes, it's a great book, but it's about the Watchtower error. As you can see, the Bible contains the simplest and most accurate definition of this question.

For example, the Watchtower's secret prophet Robert King systematically bans such materials because they expose his ignorance of the most basic and most important prophetic questions. This Diotrephus is very fond of earthly glory. The real spiritual children of the Watchtower are no different from each other.

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The Gentile Times are The Time of The End!

by Guard in

hello, brothers.

i don't speak english, but i really want to share what i have.

so sorry for mistakes and style.. so, the all detected parallels (exact connections) between the quotes of daniel 11:44-12:7 and revelation 11:2-18 are:.

Guard

Hello, brothers. I don't speak English, but I really want to share what I have. So sorry for mistakes and style.

So, the all detected parallels (exact connections) between the quotes of Daniel 11:44-12:7 and Revelation 11:2-18 are:

1) The “time of the end” (Daniel) and “days of trampling of the Holy city by the Gentiles” (John) finish before the time of court of the dead, i.e. the resurrection (Daniel 12:2; Revelation 11:15-18).

2) The “time of the end” (Daniel) and “the times of trampling of Jerusalem by Gentiles” (John) finish before the supernatural retribution on the Gentiles for the trampling of God’s people (Daniel 11:44-12:1; Revelation 11:18).

3) In the “time of the end” (Daniel) and in the “time of the trampling of Jerusalem by the Gentiles” (John) pagan enemies are fighting in the same place – directly near the mountain of the most glorious sanctuary of the Jehovah’s Temple! (Daniel 11:44,45; Revelation 11:2)

4) Just as in the “time of the end” (Daniel), so in the “time of the trampling of Jerusalem by the Gentiles” (John), the pagan enemies of God’s people have one goal — “trampling” (Rev. 11: 2) or “destruction” (Dan. 11:44) of God’s servants.

5) Just as in the “time of the end” in Daniel, so in the “time of the trampling of Jerusalem” in John, the murder of God’s servants by a powerful pagan ruler is caused by fear and torment because of news coming from a Divine source (Revelation 11:7,10; Daniel 11:44)

6) Just as after the “time, times, and half-time” (Daniel) comes the “complete overthrow of the power of the Holy people” (Dan. 12:7), so after the “time of the trampling of Jerusalem by the Gentiles” (which has same duration) of John (Rev. 11:2,3; 12:6,14) events end in the same way — the death of the anointed servants of Jehovah and the victory of the Gentile powerful king (Rev 11:7-10,13). The king whose final death will only occur as a result of supernatural intervention from above (Daniel 11:45, Revelation 11:18).

As you can see, there is no any interpretation or analogy with reality in the above analysis. It is not needed. The only thing we have achieved is an accurate understanding that the “time of the end” predicted by Daniel (11:40 and 12:4, NWT) is the “time of the trampling of Jerusalem by the Gentiles” revealed by Jesus through John (Rev. 11:2,3), and previously predicted by Him through Luke (Luke 21: 24).

At the moment, there are only the four main things you need to understand and remember from both of these articles:

1) When Christ speaks of the trampling of Jerusalem by the Gentiles in Luke 21:24 and Rev 11:2, he speaks of the same event, the fulfillment of which is yet to come.

2) The “Beast” from the 11th Chapter of Revelation and the last “king of the North” from the 11th Chapter of Daniel are the same king.

3) “The Gentile Times” (Rev. 11:2,3; 12:6,14) and the “time of the end” (Daniel 11:40 and 12:4) are the same period of time, lasting 3.5 times or 1,260 literal days. Proof of this is found in other prophecies reviewed on this site. By the end of this period, the “Holy people” revealed to the world will be deposed and trampled on.

4) The end of the “times of the Gentiles” is the moment when Jehovah takes revenge on the Gentiles (compare Daniel 12:10-12). From this moment, the Kingdom of Christ finally restores God’s power over the entire earth, and does not begin “invisibly”, for a long time and imperceptibly ruling somewhere in the sky, as the Watchtower teaches.

That’s why the “times of the Gentiles” are the “time of the end”!

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