FizzyWiggly sorry. My bad. "Aposta-gathering". Was just curious. Thanks for the deets.
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i'm early 30's.
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Funny.
I'm in bed. Went to read. Here's the verse of the day:
Galatians 3:26-28 ISR98
"For you are all sons of Elohim through belief in Messiah ?????. For as many of you as were immersed into Messiah have put on Messiah. There is not Yehu?ite nor Greek, there is not slave nor free, there is not male and female, for you are all one in Messiah ?????."
See it at YouVersion.com:
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I'm pretty much a "what you see... and hear... is what you get" person. So please, do not mistake my forthrightness for anything untoward, if you can. I use no "tone" or snark here. Indeed, there are less then 5 people on this board who I reserve such for... and you are not one of them.
:) When I try to be less than my functional to the point self I'm accused of being a bit rambling. When I'm succinct I'm accused of being intimidating and absolute or directive. I suffer the same. I feel you!
Why does such frustrate you?
Because I'm seeking people to talk to about the deeper things I've learned, but I can't get past the spoiled milk. Milk as to babes in Christ, spoiled as in it's not even good milk.
Observation: It seems it would be easier to start a cult than a conversation.
"Israel in spirit - he is not a Jew who is one on the outside; he is a Jew who is one on the INSIDE " — That was YOUR quote, not mine. I don't believe that anyone is a Jew inside or out unless they are a Jew. Then you can discuss if they are a spiritual Jew as one on the inside, not just on the outside. I was trying to make the point that I do not believe anyone is anything but who they are and I'm sooooooo frustrated trying to find people who don't just believe everyone is going to be Jewish or Israelite.
I guess humor enters my heart in this moment as I picture my friend I was talking to today. She's Jewish. You could spot her Jewishness a mile away. I started laughing in my heart just now picturing all those Christians who say that they are "Jews on the inside" because they are circumcised of heart, but they wouldn't go tell her that, unless they're socially ignorant and don't realize she is a Jew—and the intent is whether or not her Jewishness is simply external or also internal. (Great that she's a girl, for this example!)
"I believe Paul spoke AGAINST circumcision “out.”"
Um, yes, but context. He was against the Jews promoting circumcision. To be a Jew, you had to be circumcised in Flesh already—and circumcised of Heart. To be a Christian you simply needed to ignore the Jews and pay attention to Christ.
Wow. That sort of is it. Maybe that's the best summary.
To be a Christian you simply needed to ignore the Jews and pay attention to Christ. It's over simplification. But does it get the point across? The Jews don't enter the scene again until the body of Christ is caught away; after the fullness of the nations come in. And Jews-schmew, what about Israel? Why does no one want to claim to be 10-tribe Israel?
Again though—"Jews" in that day were circumcised already. It was only a question of heart condition. If they had the heart condition they accepted Christ and left behind the old flesh for the new spirit.
House of Israel (ten tribes): “‘For I will take you out of the nations; I will gather you from all the countries and bring you back into your own land. I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your impurities and from all your idols. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws."
So, if Israel is coming back, you believe the house of Judah isn't?
Have you read the prophecies in regard to accepting what they say as literally being fulfilled rather than spiritually?
http://biblez.com/search.php?q=%22the+house+of+judah%22+%22the+house+of+Israel%22
http://biblez.com/search.php?q=%22children+of+Judah%22+%22children+of+Israel%22
Its the remnant of Judah and Israel which go to heaven, it is the old covenant prophecies which tell us that after the remnant goes, with the rest of the body of Christ, to heaven, that those who remain will be restored—thus, all Israel will be saved.
I don't believe this "true Jew" is anybody whose heart is circumcised.
I'll see if I can pull out my philosophy logic book to see how to write the equation out.
Just because a Jew becomes a "true Jew" by heart circumcision it does not follow that anyone who is heart circumcised is a Jew. A therefore B therefore C does not mean C = A, or something like that?
"For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, neither is that which is seen in the flesh circumcision. But he is a Jew who is in secret, and circumcision is that which is of the heart, in The Spirit and not by the Scriptures, whose glory is not from the children of men, but from God." (Aramaic Bible in Plain English)
Keeping in mind Yehuda means "God will be praised."
So you don't believe in the New Covenant scriptures?
Yes, I know about the other books. I find that I agree with Esdras for example in 2 Esdras 13, but I find it impossible simply by reading the book to believe it was written by Ezra nor even anywhere near Ezra's time. I searched quickly and learned my suspicions were well founded.
http://www.biblestudytools.com/gnta/2-esdras/13.html
I believe that inspired scriptures passed with the apostles—the restraint.
So I began testing my understanding, as it was strange to find it written in a book I find my heart not capable of trusting. Does that mean my understanding is wrong? Or does that mean there was something of what I believed written about in the first century or so, who wrote it as if inspired or as a prophet?
So, I kind of have to go with what that WORD says about Who the Word is... which the Bible actually corroborates.
"ton logon tou theou" — the word of God. — Mark 7:13 http://interlinearbible.org/mark/7-13.htm
I hope that you'll look into it. It's a fun study to study the words of the word of the Word.
Leaving off at the question of thinking Isaiah's prophecy…
I have to go to bed.
Btw, it's not fear, it's disgust for ignorance.
I'm going to bed. I see no reason to be here. I think I came to the wrong place looking for something that by definition wouldn't be here.
I will rest on it. I will be out of the country this weekend with a "JW" friend of mine, I will see how I feel when I return. I'm not saying I won't be here the next few days until I leave, but I have nothing much left in my heart right now.
I feel empty and wasted of energy.
Good night— and please, you are not my servant.
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by nibbled ini did a search and came up with some posts related to san francisco, but i couldn't figure out how to find more recent onesthey were from nearly a dozen years ago!
i was wondering if anyone lives around sf, as well as if anyone is around my age?
i'm early 30's.
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LisaRose, thanks for the consolation. I will be checking online after I get back in the country after this weekend. Looking forward to meeting you in person. I have no one from whom I can get a hug from, literally. I really need one. Hope you're ready! :)
AGuest, Thank you for your post to clarify. Frankly I have no real way to follow it because I don't have context. But I don't care. I'm not a dude. I'm a woman. One day you'll meet me — come see me next weekend, if you want. You'll laugh at how absurd the visual of me is compared to anything like what you thought I might have been. And then you can vouch for me.
I never responded to your question because you'll note I responded inline going from top to bottom. By the time I got to you that part you had already posted several below and I was under attack.
I didn't not respond—I simply hadn't read it yet. Check my responses. You'll see. Anyway, bygones, past. Done. I'm just exhausted.
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Tammy
"not everything in the bible is scripture"
I believe it is, but I am willing to explore. Where do I get a list?
"why the warning"
Because he could foresee we'd doubt that all scripture is inspired…? We'd question if the words was "pure" (infallible)? He wanted us to be certain about, if nothing else, the truthfulness of the words of that Revelation, his one and only book in the word of God as the Word of God?
As for Paul. Love to hear what you and your friends would think about the "Apostle on the Edge" textbook. I enjoyed it. I like Paul. I'd be his friend. However, we can't say that he didn't mean to have them shun the man, and then found that they'd gone overboard in their Jewish-style zealousness for the letter (as once they were about the "letter the law").
"It is not the bible that has authority, but the Spirit."
I drink a glass of red wine when I sit down to read the word. I believe that the wine reminds me of his sacrifice, and the word is the bread of life. The spirit is my teacher, and the text is the Word.
Who is to say that it IS?
Paul wrote "all scripture is inspired" and to steer clear of anyone teaching other than what it was that was taught by the apostles. I was once taught other things than what the apostles taught—by the Watchtower. It took me a long time to realize that the Watchtower doesn't replace or represent even the apostles. I respect that they were chosen by Christ, each, and taught by him (one being in a more interesting manner than the others). The means to be taught by the apostles is to do as Daniel and study the prophets and law, and the letters.
I don't mean to keep asking to be annoying. But do you have a list of what you do and do not accept by either book/letter or verses as being scripture from the canonized scripture? (I don't use "Bible", scripture is the term I use. I use it because it means inspired writings, and I don't like using Bible as it reminds me of Byblos, more and more pagan, er, Satan?) I know people can't trust the Bible, but while it's a subtle difference, I trust the scriptures. I do not use one translation or version, nor language. I devour them all! :)
Again, quite interested in your list of verses, letters, books, whatever, that you have found to be not "scripture" in the "bible".
"to help you determine how to interpret a scripture"
Actually I use scripture to interpret scripture. (I pray about it, then a scripture sort of is just there within about three days or less.) I believe the whole story is there. I read it. It's there. I want to talk about it. But it's like trying to (to steal someone else's analogy posted) peeling an onion. There are so many premises which are accepted because they are common place in Christendom. However, when I just read it all, all at once, clear mind and open heart, with sincere and intent focused prayer. That was it. It was simple. It was all there.
I don't know how to get from what I read, to being able to talk about it. Perhaps it were easier if people asked questions rather than my posing discussion points. I don't know.
I want to talk about it with people, and I haven't found the most effective means to do so. I'm 'lonely' as it were, and would love to make friends to discuss all this with. It's like having a secret with which you are bursting to share and not having anyone to share it with!
As I just caught another point I seemed to have missed going inline—I'll respond now… It appears as though you believe that the body of Paul's work isn't applicable now? It is past?
I gazed off for a moment there—you know, the thing I think I can say with confidence is that I believe that when the time arrives that he will write it upon our hearts and mind, and no longer will one teach another—we'll know. It'll simply come true. Until then, I have the scriptures and my spirit. The spirit doesn't replace the scripture, the spirit teaches the scripture. The spirit was sent by God in place of the Word of God to explain the word of God.
"I simply put nothing before Christ."
Technically the word of God came before the Christ. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning." … [then] ... "The Word became flesh, and took up residence among us." — "for the law was given through Moses, grace and truth came through Jesus Christ."
"Because these are people of faith, who walk by faith... rather than by sight (fleshly), which bogs us down and in fact, helps to keep us blind."
I'm resistant because I've got one friend who hears the voice and learns from an unidentified voice, and another who is telling me that the word of God isn't all scripture. I don't believe to rely on the word of God (scripture) is to walk in flesh. If you are meaning like that, you're taking "walking by sight" and might as well as put on blinders. Then you've got the Pharisees who were the blind leading the blind. It's not that you follow scripture its that you can't see the forest for the trees. (The warning for us.)
"Peter and the others did not accept Paul right away"
And Paul called Peter out on his hypocrisy.
I just want to find people with whom it feels like I'm discussing and sharing and learning the scriptures as the Truth together. I recognize Christ only as my head, and his word is written for my easy reference. Somehow it just feels exhausting and disheartening. I feel like going back to reading and loving it alone. I have a demanding life, and I didn't realize how much energy it would take to deal with all this on the this forum.
I don't want to spend all my free time (which takes away from what I love most, which is poring over the good book!) doing ping-pong point-for-point. But it seems there are either those not interested at all, or those set in their ways.
Just offering my feeling. Nothing here intended to be a slam, or jab or anything. Really really tired.
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i'm early 30's.
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FizzyWiglet—why call it apostafest? I take apostacy seriously, but I recognize that the definition was bastardized by the WT. Even still, I see no reason to get ever participate in such a concept—even if its just a slang term. Somehow that makes me feel like a prude. I just don't want to be stuck in the WT limbo land forever. "Apostafest" seems to be a celebration of the not "over it yet" kind of break up style. Ick. Thoughts? Insight?
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i'm early 30's.
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I just pray one day to be able to simply be me. Show my face, post my full name, share my 'self'.
For example, I have a whole virtual bookcase of all the books I've read or want to read, and would love to share that with you.
I'll see if I can do it in another manner, perhaps just a photo of the books would do as well! :)
Gotta run to another meeting. Looking forward to tonight. Glass of wine and lower blood pressure. It's been a stressful day IRL, and as much here too.
I don't mean to offend anyone.
I stayed too long in a marraige which was abusive. I try to remember to just leave when I feel that familiar feeling. I'm working on gathering friends who want a different kind of experience (not to take them away from this one, but to off another). For instance, finding the SF people to actually meet in person! :) Too bad you're not local! <3
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by nibbled ini did a search and came up with some posts related to san francisco, but i couldn't figure out how to find more recent onesthey were from nearly a dozen years ago!
i was wondering if anyone lives around sf, as well as if anyone is around my age?
i'm early 30's.
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Hi MrsJone5 — I should have been more expressive. I have received many kind private messages from people, many expressing that they simply read and don't post due to the kinds of interactions that take place on the forum. To post is to open yourself up for ridicule. It's such a strange mix of people here. It's a very interesting social structure to observe, but I'm not an observer but a participant, and thus I lose objectivity.
I am surprised by my niavely believing I was interacting with someone who I was enjoying that interaction though distinctly getting the feeling that she was arguing more than hearing. I desired to connect, and to interact. I see that as two people who leave subtly different from every interaction. Humans are simply energy who refer to actions and reactions as "life".
This forum is fascinating, but I'm feeling beat up by the atheists, looked down upon by the "enlightened", and now betrayed by the one I came to know the best in the few days.
I came in without realizing that there are such complicated politics and such dishonesty. I guess I did have a clue—there is a long list of rules beneath the posting box which to me seem to sum up "common decency" and manners. I guess now I know why.
I hurt. I had a woman screaming in my face, literally, this weekend about Mary being a whore, getting f*cked and having a baby named Jesus.
Ironically I was sitting at my restaurant bar tying a response to AGuest. She saw the content and (drunk) laid into me.
It's hard to take the abuse from every angle. My parents believe I'm apostate because I believe the bible, my atheist judgmental friends think religion is a mental illness and don't make a distinction to recognize I DON'T BELIEVE IN RELIGION, the bible thumpers want me to believe what they believe, others think I'm a poser, and here I just thought I'd find some love.
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i'm early 30's.
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Yes. I get paid to design interactions. :)
What's your interest in neuroeconomics? Super cool! Now I'm totally curious!
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by nibbled ini did a search and came up with some posts related to san francisco, but i couldn't figure out how to find more recent onesthey were from nearly a dozen years ago!
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i'm early 30's.
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@jgnat thanks for clarification. I'm a believer in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and his son Christ the Messiah. I am a student of cognitive science who studied communication and social sciences— My only interest nowadays is the scriptures, and all that brings light to our understanding of it for those who look for "proof" rather than spirit.
I studied how Gnostism came to be (a subject not as a form of worship under consideration), and became wise to just how pervasive the spirit of the world is.
I love people and sharing.