The issue is not coming up with a plausible reason or even a reason that "makes a lot of sense" for changing the 1914 doctrine. The issue is changing it at all. It will convey the extremely disappointing notion that we really don't know how close we are to "the end". And it will further push the JW religion into mainstream. This could be a good thing depending on each individual's mindset. For the old guard it's the last nail in the coffin. And by old guard I include anyone basically over 50.
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A Modest proposal to solve the 1914 problem
by r51785 inthroughout watchtower history dates have been a problem.
the usual solution for failed prophetic dates has been to kick the can down the road.
this needs to be done with 1914. the generation that will never pass away is now 110 years old and therefore is past its useful life span.
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Geoffrey Jackson goatiegate Part 2
by Tahoe infrom ske graduation this past weekend.
(sent from a pimi).
from ske on zoom: .
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Leathercrop
It's not bad at all. Was wondering if goatees were considered beards too. Still can't help but think he looks 'worldly'. The mental conditioning must be causing some serious anxiety for the old school guard lok
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Did God know adam and eve would sin?
by gavindlt into all those on this forum, i would love to know what your take on this vital question is..
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Leathercrop
Same goes for everyone God created, angels etc
He creates, they choose.
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Did God know adam and eve would sin?
by gavindlt into all those on this forum, i would love to know what your take on this vital question is..
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Leathercrop
God chose not to know.
Slimboyfat
Great name btw lol
I agree mostly with this. God knows all things. The Bible describes that we are made in his image, we are God's "thoughts".
Imagine a God existing only in himself with absolute nothingness aside from himself. Why create something like himself with no free will? He could, but if we also believe God is love, then no free will would equal no love. Love has to be expressed. And it can only be expressed thru free will.
So God knew of the probability of sin, but chose to let love express itself out. Or not.
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Leathercrop
Beard or goatee?
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Where’s the 2023 Service Report?
by slimboyfat inwhat’s keeping them?
this has got to be the latest it’s ever been.
maybe it’s the last one they’ll ever publish too, after dropping reporting hours for publishers ….
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Leathercrop
The entire organisation is in decline, Bethelites all being laid off. Bethels downsizing selling KHs. Hardly print anything these days.
jehovaxx
Bethelites are being laid off? Is this a mass layoff, or their standard layoff and replacement cycle?
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Thoughts on annual meeting “new light”
by FFGhost inso, i finally saw the annual meeting video part 2.. this is the one with the “new light” on who might survive armageddon, vs. those who do not.. in summary, for those of you fortunate enough not to have to sit through it, it’s something like this:.
old light: once the “great tribulation” starts, that’s it for non-jws.
the “door of the ark” is closed.
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Leathercrop
The word Jehovah is not in the Bible, YHWH can be translated many ways
Elena
Any "translation" of YHWH ( ie. Jehovah or Jehova) is still YHWH. Here I am totally ok with the way JWs have interpreted where YHWH goes in the Bible. Context makes it very reasonable to conclude when YHWH is being referred to. Now, what does that name mean to two different people? That's another matter.
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Encouraging scriptures for the day
by Kosonen inhello my friends,.
here are some encouraging scriptures for the day:.
revelation 21:2 i also saw the holy city, new jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from god and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.. hebrews 11:10 for he (abraham) was awaiting the city having real foundations, whose designer and builder is god.. revelation 21:24 and the nations will walk by means of its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.. revelation 22:1 and he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of god and of the lamb 2 down the middle of its main street (of the holy city).
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Leathercrop
The problem is an age old problem...in that scriptures can be interpreted in just about any conceivable way you want. It's an exercise in futility to get into an argument about the Bible for this reason, or about spirituality in general for that matter. The people I recall that accepted the JW teachings were people that had not been associated with religion before in any significant way. And if they were very unhappy with their life I could just about guarantee that I could bring them into the JW religion.
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A BEARD PREDICTION FOR 2024
by AndersonsInfo infyi, i posted this prediction on my facebook page last night and it has received 224 likes and there have been 83 comments made.
many of the comments are hilarious.. .
a beard prediction for 2024:.
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Leathercrop
Im assuming any facial hair is now permitted. Goatees..soul patches..etc
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So what happens next...
by Farmer Jim1 inwith what is arguably the biggest change to jw life in recent decades (the scrapping of publishers counting hours) what does this lead to?.
in my mind these are the results;.
1) a massive decrease in 'preaching hours'.
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Leathercrop
think most people still in the cult are in it for the social life....the old religious god botherers have mostly gone to join him by now.
Stan
I wonder what that is these days. Older folks yes, it's all the friends they've known. Younger people with all the distraction and social media... virtual reality options coming up ...in a short 10 years the association aspect will also be irrelevant or no more relevant than for other religions.