...how can a person ignore this?
Because it's a cult and they are brainwashed but...some will escape!
with all those happy holidays gorby took some time to search in online dutch newspaper archives.
great to see how much information is on the net.. i searchedon the subject jw and many articles, from negatie to positive and all in between came on the screen.. like the blood issue, 1975 worlds end, ray franz incident, former witness, finance,etc etc.. the question i asked myself, is that if there is so much kind of scandals and negative information over the years,how can a person ignore this?.
if it looks like a pig, it smells like a pig and makers the noise of it... it has to be one.. g..
...how can a person ignore this?
Because it's a cult and they are brainwashed but...some will escape!
back again!.
so as i'm still pimo and living under my parent's roof, how can i get out of service?
cause i really don't want to go and i feel dirty just knowing i could be influencing someone into this garbage..
Haven't read all the posts but kudos to you for not wanting to spread lies.
My suggestion? Do return visits alone as much as possible and when you are alone... do absolutely nothing what you don't want to do.
Good luck, please let us know how you're doing and what suggestions worked for you.
i'm noticing what seems to be a higher incidence of the above among the local jws than in the "general" (read: worldly) population.
i don't say this lightly, my wanderings around the fringes of jw society locally is revealing an alarming trend here.
the poverty doesn't help (there are good jobs, but you need a degree or qualifications to get one).. anyone else see this?
I'm thinking things are breaking down from the inside out, and finally the cracks are showing.
Spiral, so much pressure from both the inside and the outside must be almost impossible to bear, and 2018 will only bring more misery and deception.
Hopefully the realisation that being in the bORG can tire you out physically and mentally will make some receptive to TTATT. The GB can lie and just live in an ivory tower, but the rank and file are terrified by so many incomprehensible doctrines, talmud-like rules and all the gossip and social control.
1972 : we started studying with the jehovah's witnesses when my uncle became an elder and put fear into our family that armageddon was close.
1974 : my mom, my brother and i were all baptized after all the convention talks and watchtower magazine articles that 1975 would likely end this system of things.
1999 : being told that the year 2000 was going to mark the 6 thousand years of mans existence and that the 1000 year kingdom in the new paradisewould come in the year 2000.
20th century etc
No wonder the gb have asked all the faithful to get rid of old libraries.......
Zeb, most here will know that this quote can only be found in the original single issue. Not many will have saved it.
But guess what?
I only recently found out that I have that gem in possession! During the 90's I got a lot of single WT magazines from a (now deceased) biblestudy, put them in a box and never looked at them again because I'd rather use the "handy" bound volumes.
The wife asked me to clean up a bit and to see what possibly could be thrown away, Voila...there it was! In Dutch!
Thought it would be nice to post a few pics for those who are interested...
how about .... the international brotherhood of stupidity.. the righteous zombies club .
Watchtower Society
Welcome mayryn, Netherlands here.
I'd also like to ask where you're from and what kind of friends are you looking for?
1972 : we started studying with the jehovah's witnesses when my uncle became an elder and put fear into our family that armageddon was close.
1974 : my mom, my brother and i were all baptized after all the convention talks and watchtower magazine articles that 1975 would likely end this system of things.
1999 : being told that the year 2000 was going to mark the 6 thousand years of mans existence and that the 1000 year kingdom in the new paradisewould come in the year 2000.
Yes, it's 2018 and I'm happy!
On the other hand we see how the embarrassment for the bORG grows with each passing year. So many are tired of waiting and there's the risk of exposure of their history of false dates. No, They are not happy at all with 2018.
Yet they refuse to give up 1914 because they know that would be very embarrassing as well.
But hey... has anyone ever said that it would be easy to be a false prophet?
letter dated 1/1/2018.
i know they are trying to simplify but it all is such a confusing mess.... forms, dates, calculators, committees, logins, publisher record cards.....jesus would barf.
to all bodies of elders re: announcements and reminders dear brothers: in an effort to reduce the number of letters sent to all bodies of elders and congregations, most announcements from the branch office will now be conveyed to congregations by means of the announcements and reminders (s-147) form.
Well well. Reducing letters? What a boring start of 2018 for the bORG....gone are the days of wondrous expansion and exciting new light!
i was talking to a jdub yesterday about child abuse in the organisation and this was his response:.
"it has been known for kids to make stuff up.
we have to trust the society on these things, also the legal process is there.
Sad...head in the sand. Kids make stuff up? It is more common for kids to hide the abuse out of fear of reprisals...then they grow up with serious emotional anxiety issues.
So do adults. In cases of molestation then let the police investigate.
Tiki, punkofnice and many others, you nailed it and yes, it angers me too! (shaking hands with wakemeup...)
I already posted twice here but I can't get this thought out of my head of this JW blaming kids for making stuff up. HTF would he even know without the help and input of professionals in the field??? It's so sick man! It's very rude and heartless to say such a thing, only to save your WT face.
It reminds me also of those two assholes in Australia (Terrence O'Brien and Rodney Spinks) who dared to claim before the ARC that abuse victims who choose to leave the congregation in order to protect themselves can be seen as persons who choose to shun the congregation for THEMSELVES!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_6SYNPwQ6o
So, summarizing these two statements that
1) it's been known that kids make stuff up, and
2) that abuse victims who are leaving in fact are the ones who choose to shun the congregation
give me an even more horrible and uncomfortable feeling than I already had since I broke with the bORG. Even after being out for +two years now, the potential dangers of such a twisted mindset occur even more threatening to me than ever before and are becoming clearer and clearer every time a JW is allowed to give an official or personal "justification" for what's happening in the bORG.
May 2018 bring more common sense to those who are brainwashed and justice and satisfaction to the victims!.
well , not really.. our hall recently had a secret collection for our head elder who is almost on the verge of becoming homeless.
i guess he lost some cleaning contracts because his clients were just sick of his no shows because of his pioneer work.
there is always something more important to do than earn a living.. this is the same assholes he is always shaming people to not doing enough.
some years later people were actually asked to contribute towards a second horse for her as she wanted to sell the first and get a better horse
Oh no Phoebe, please, no second horse.... imagine just when I thought your first report of events was already pretty extreme!