your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.
k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.
in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.
Katewild > I draw the conclusion that a Creator could be responsible for guiding the process, others may feel this is evidence of evolution without external guidance.
What do you think?
I think you made a good point and "could" is a well chosen word ;-)
I think homochirality is a millstone around the neck of abiogenesis.
I think the first proteins couldn't arise from a primordial soup with only racemic ingredients.
this morning, my wife showed me this online article (written yesterday evening july 11, 2016) from dutch newspaper "trouw":.
http://www.trouw.nl/tr/nl/4716/christendom/article/detail/4337852/2016/07/11/rusland-verbiedt-thuiskerken-en-meeste-geloofsverkondiging.dhtml.
to me, this seems to be one serious step further, and together with the convention bunker video's it will surely fuel the persecution-syndrome and expectations of the great tribulation even more than it already did!
Nobodyspecial, you wrote:
As for that quote from from the daniel book, could it be any more vague???? 'Will it be russia or will be someone els?
Well, we all know how much they discourage speculation. They never mentioned something like China or some kind of terrorist-state-coalition, but they DID mention a former Soviet Union-part, which Russia is. From a JW point of view, that must mean something, right? This new ban is really taken to the next level and we know the jw mind-set.
hey all, .
so i recently posted for the first time and introduced myself.. i have been spending time reading various posts.
some informative, some not so much.. since i've been reading on here, i've read a lot from atheists.
I am not here to be converted to Atheism, nor am I here to convert anyone to Theism. I am simply looking for a little support and friendship.
You will find it here Sevan, I'm sure. But I tell you, this forum has many doors to many viewpoints and it's my experience that all have to offer something. Just choose carefully if you are still sensitive in this stage...
this morning, my wife showed me this online article (written yesterday evening july 11, 2016) from dutch newspaper "trouw":.
http://www.trouw.nl/tr/nl/4716/christendom/article/detail/4337852/2016/07/11/rusland-verbiedt-thuiskerken-en-meeste-geloofsverkondiging.dhtml.
to me, this seems to be one serious step further, and together with the convention bunker video's it will surely fuel the persecution-syndrome and expectations of the great tribulation even more than it already did!
This morning, my wife showed me this online article (written yesterday evening july 11, 2016) from Dutch newspaper "Trouw":
To me, this seems to be one serious step further, and together with the convention bunker video's it will surely fuel the persecution-syndrome and expectations of the great tribulation even more than it already did!
sidenote: Remember what the WT wrote in 1999's "Daniels prophecy"-book (bold is mine)?
*** dp chap. 16 pp. 280-281 par. 21 The Contending Kings Near Their End ***
With the disbanding of the Soviet Union in December 1991, the king of the north suffered a serious setback. Who will be this king when Daniel 11:44, 45 is fulfilled? Will he be identified with one of the countries that were part of the former Soviet Union? Or will he change identity completely, as he has done a number of times before?
I used google-translate for the Trouw-article for all non-Dutch readers (bold is mine) :
RUSSIA BANS HOME-CHURCHES AND MOST FAITH PROCLAMATION
The new law, adopted in the meantime signed by parliament and Putin bans almost all forms of religious preaching outside the walls of recognized churches.
Below street evangelism, but also includes keeping a service at someone's home. Distributing religious books and -Flyers is also prohibited. Anyone caught can be fined 700 euros. Organizations who violate the law must take into account a sum of up to 14 thousand euros. Exceptions are possible, but only if an organization has applied for a license.
Human rights groups and Christian clubs now raise the alarm. Putin will use the new measure to thwart all the organizations that are not part of the Russian Orthodox Church, they expect. Patriarchate of Moscow and Putin have for years been two peas in a pod: the president gives her a special status and political influence in return for explicit political support for his government.
Human Rights Watch speaks in The Guardian about "an attack on freedom of expression, freedom of conscience and privacy."
The measure is part of a package with a number of far-reaching anti-terrorism measures. Who participates in a "mass disturbance" can be imprisoned for five to ten years. Telephone and internet providers have long to save all data on customer behavior for half a year and help intelligence agencies to decrypt messages online.
Moscow is religious organizations that do not belong for some time close to the Russian Orthodox Church on the skin. Four years ago threw eg high barriers for foreign aid organizations. They have since been regularly a paper to prove that they are bona fide. The authorities tightly control and do sometimes occur. Part of the so-called NGOs that can not resist, it appears from statistics published by the government. Since the introduction of the new rules, the number of NGOs decreased by a third.
This article focusses on religious implications, but in it, there is a link to a recent Guardian article which is primary about the anti-terrorist law:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/26/russia-passes-big-brother-anti-terror-laws
im not a jw and never was but had a bad encounter with one , ie my gf was one .
anyway , i was wondering if fb pages are actually allowed , i thought the wt frowned upon them ?
here is one i discus in regularly , maybe take a look and leave a comment on the tripe they write , it looks very well done and presented ,https://www.facebook.com/honor.jehovah/.
About two years ago, while I was still in, I had a discussion with a brother in his 60's about how some youngsters got in trouble because of social media. He literally told me that everyone who had a facebook account, should be disfellowshipped! He may have been a bit emotional at that point, but I had facebook as well (didnd't tell him) and I was so shocked by this cultish statement that I couldn't even respond . Can you imagine how many would have been disfellowshipped if this "brother" would have had the power to make the rules? I think that, besides card-witnessing for those who are approved by the BoE, more and more jw's choose easy "online" preaching to complement "hard" hours (door-to-door) to please the elders. Jworg is the bait. No exhausting discussions anymore, just redirecting to a cultish website.
Looking back, this deluded comment must have been one of those many stones that laid the foundation for my eventual awakening.
do you know the name of the country where the wt said the brothers walked thru alligators infested waters to go to the assembly, etc?
there is no way i will do that for jehoober!
they sound like rick fearon.
Some have to cross crocodile-infested rivers.... Why do all these people put forth so much effort?
this is what happened.
i had a sore tendon in my wrist.
i could work with it, but nevertheless the pain was there.
Mad Irishman, you wrote:
It's called the placebo effect!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The power of suggestion.
Thanks for your "eureka!" - comment, but, with all respect, have you read all the comments? Your answer gives me the impression you haven't. I believe that "the placebo effect!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" is not that one definite explanation in all cases, it doesn't seem to cover the whole subject. If you think otherwise, I'll respect that, but then I'd like to hear more from you about it.
shouldn't they say thanks for" holding down the fort" until we take over?.
Blondie, you wrote:
The Christian religions of the day of that first organization declared it God's kingdom on earth...setting it up as a rival to the Messianic kingdom the WTS said was established in 1914.
Even this is false. Not all Christian religions! On this thread
you can read a comment from Gilgamesj (bold is mine), which explains:
That thread points out that the most serious problem with the Watch Tower’s claim is that the WTS doesn’t seem to realize or admit that this publication of the Federal Council of Churches of Christ was speaking about what the League “should be” not what it was. They were speaking of an “ideal.” They were not promoting “worship” any more than the Watchtower itself was in the article they published the following month with similar sentiments. Also, this declaration about the proposed League only represented a small number of Protestant churches although it was presented as representing all of Christendom, Protestant and Catholic. The statement itself was evidently an invention of the executive committee of the FCCC.
The WT cult is sooooo dangerous. They simply cannot be trusted when citing sources to back up their claims!
i found this pew data of passing interest.
it flies in the face of what i have seen in english congregations, but when i think of all the spanish congregations, it made sense.
jws show fewer senior members than mainline churches.
Good observation. The younger the JW members are, the bigger the chance they will discover TTATT (by using internet), which is good of course! And for the baby boomers themselves, who shouldn't want the best for their children, right?
for the past few years conventions in eastern jamaica have been held at a cricket stadium, in the capital city, known as sabina park.
this venue is a central location for the bulk of the attendees who make it there from the capital kingston, as well as the adjoining areas of portmore and spanish town.
yeah, that's where jws are concentrated, as well as their non-jw friends, work mates and family who they coerce into attendance.
Thanks for the story jw07, I'm so glad I'm out. Over here, they are building a new convention venue in the north that will replace a worldly venue in the middle of our country. From where I live, the distance would be more than double, but they won't get my time or money anyway, so I don't give a shit! Another alternative would be a convention in our southern neighbor country, but again...NOT FOR ME ANYMORE! I feel so sorry for all the WT drones that already kept their life <$imple and the families with little children that will go through hell because of all the extra efforts and the pressure to go and be fed by the slave .
At the past two meetings it has been announced that we need to get people to "not concentrate on the distance, but on the message instead. Helping them to focus on the prospect of living forever instead of how long it will take them to reach to the convention".
How naive! Deep in their hearts they know it doesn't work that way
