Welcome Dexter and absolutely great you can finally post on this forum. I started studying when I was 28, been a jw for 20 years... F¥#K, the most productive years of my life that YOU still have in front of you. Sorry about your sister and the effect it had on you. Will the Borg ever realize what harm disfellowshipping does to people, let alone children? Looking forward to your story of the incident that led to ttatt.
redpilltwice
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Have a pretty interesting story to tell.
by Dexter ini am new to this site, was always told by my elder father if the site accidentally appeared on the comp screen it was satans doing.
anyways, i am 28 y/m who had the unfortunate life of being the last of three kids to be born ins.
my oldest sibling lasted about 8 years before she was d,f.
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I am deeply ashamed that I didn't accept evolution until a few years ago...
by ILoveTTATT2 inso... i live in mexico and i am helping with an esl class (english as a second language).
actually, i am helping with two classes.
i get two days a week in which i just stand there and have a debate with the class, encouraging as many as possible to just talk... in english.. anyways, i like talking about subjects that generate debate.
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redpilltwice
Cofty, thanks for the references. I will look them up.
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I am deeply ashamed that I didn't accept evolution until a few years ago...
by ILoveTTATT2 inso... i live in mexico and i am helping with an esl class (english as a second language).
actually, i am helping with two classes.
i get two days a week in which i just stand there and have a debate with the class, encouraging as many as possible to just talk... in english.. anyways, i like talking about subjects that generate debate.
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redpilltwice
Please tell me which books that present the scientific evidence FOR evolution you have studied in recent years? - Cofty
I have asked that question of lots of people who reject evolution. So far not one answer. I think I see a pattern.
Cofty, with all respect, two months ago you recommended Richard Dawkins' "The Ancestor's Tale" to me and I'm still struggling to find the facts, not the assumptions, regarding the question how jellyfish evolved into fish. It's over 500 pages and I tried to find real answers using the book's index. I came across jawless fish, jelly fish, sponges etc. and it appears to me the described "evolution" is in fact (modern) biology and anatomy of complete species that existed or still exist. That isn't evolution!
I mean, how, on a genetic level, do you turn a jellyfish...
...into these little fellows (early jawless fish)?
Lampreys (see picture below) are still living today and are supposed to be the very first jawless fish of the group hyperoartians, but (according to wiki) there is still uncertainty about its exact evolutionary relationship.
The lampreys are a very ancient lineage of vertebrates, though their exact relationship to hagfishes and jawed vertebrates is still a matter of dispute. [bold is mine]
It amazes me how you constantly speak of facts as presented in your own line of evidence, while Richard Dawkins' own book dares to speak in terms of "hint" and "speculation" (p.404,405, bold below is mine):
The 'sociable' behaviour of sponge cells as exhibited by such experiments perhaps sheds light on the normal embryonic development of individual sponges. Does it also give us some sort of hint of how the first multicellular animals (metazoans) evolved from single-celled ancestors (protozoans)? The metazoan body is often called a colony of cells. In keeping with this book's pattern of using some tales as modern re-enactments of evolutionary happenings, could the Sponge's Tale be telling us something about the remote evolutionary past? Could the behaviour of the crawling and agglomerating cells in Wilson's experiments represent some sort of re-enactment of how the first sponge arose — as a colony of protozoans? Almost certainly it was not the same in detail. But here is a hint. The most characteristic cells of sponges are the choanocytes, which they use for generating currents of water. The picture on the opposite page shows a portion of the wall of a sponge, with the inside of the cavity to the right. The choanocytes are the cells that Une the cavity of the sponge. 'Choano-' comes from the Greek for 'funnel', and you can see the little funnels or collars, made up of many fine hairs known as microvilli. Each choanocyte has a beating flagellum, which draws water through the sponge, while the collar catches nutrient particles in the stream. Take a good look at those choanocytes, for we shall meet something rather like them at the next rendezvous. And then, in the hght of that, the following tale will complete our speculation about the origin of multicellularity.
The book goes on to show pictures like these...
...and asks this question on p.406:
Is this how it was? A colony of choanoflagellates.
Again, a question by Dawkins implies not a definite answer. It leaves room for doubt, even error and gives the right to disagree, not based on religion, but for me, based on the fact that man still isn't capable of building one single cell (let alone multi-cellular organisms) under perfect controlable conditions in an ultra modern lab while evolution "gave" jellyfish a nervous system and muscles, a flatworm a brain, bilateral symmetry and eyes, and early fish a backbone, skeleton, gills? All without fossilized transitional forms that show us "half" a brain, nerve, backbone, gill etc.along the path of trial and error? Then how do you know for a fact that this all evolved? If I've missed crucial parts of Dawkins book, please show me the pages.
Don't get me wrong, I really can understand why someone may choose for evolution as the best available explanation yet, but let's keep a healthy dose of secpticism and keep in mind that it might not be the only or one true answer. The gaps might be real and too big for evolution to surpass.
Also, I still haven't read prothero's book, but I might adress some of your "facts" (such as tiktaalik) later.
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I am deeply ashamed that I didn't accept evolution until a few years ago...
by ILoveTTATT2 inso... i live in mexico and i am helping with an esl class (english as a second language).
actually, i am helping with two classes.
i get two days a week in which i just stand there and have a debate with the class, encouraging as many as possible to just talk... in english.. anyways, i like talking about subjects that generate debate.
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redpilltwice
Nicoloau, there will always be evidence that thrives on the power of the ruling consensus. There is empirical evidence for micro-evolution, but macro-evolution still depends on a lot of assumptions and connecting-the-dots. I await future research and developments. Not convinced yet.
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I am deeply ashamed that I didn't accept evolution until a few years ago...
by ILoveTTATT2 inso... i live in mexico and i am helping with an esl class (english as a second language).
actually, i am helping with two classes.
i get two days a week in which i just stand there and have a debate with the class, encouraging as many as possible to just talk... in english.. anyways, i like talking about subjects that generate debate.
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redpilltwice
Evolution is a fascinating field of study, but it knows several definitions. I believe universal common descent from one cell to all of life's complexity and diversity is a bridge too far.
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What happens to the elders?
by Worldling9 inwith so many khs closing and congos consolidating, what happens to the elders?
clearly there won't be a place for all of them.
would the older ones be the first to go, losing their long held positions of 'power'?.
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redpilltwice
Tallon is right. Normally, many boe's consist of 5 to 7 persons. With more and more elders getting old and those with fulltime jobs I think there will be no objection against bigger boe's practically and theocratically spoken. Regarding some egomaniacs however, I know some who like to keep power over smaller boe's.
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Another "good" elder might be getting the axe....
by humblepotato inso our congregation is full of hardliner elders, 3 of them, who are not gentle, kind or loving.. people have either moved away or quit trying because one elder inparticular was going to drive them crazy with all his rules and nit picking and being righteous over much.
(and he is pissed that he hasn't been accepted to the school.
hmmm, i wonder why!).
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redpilltwice
Sorry for him, but I guess in the end only the loyalists will remain. More cultish, less human seems to have jah's blessing.
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Today I Dropped In To Field Service Meeting
by pale.emperor ini just dropped my daughter off to her mum at her parents house.
it was 12pm and i knew they meet for feild service there but my ex and i assumed they would still be out knocking on doors.
i pull up in the street and there's quite a few cars parked up and the house was backed with jdubs from my old congregation.
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redpilltwice
Wow, well done pale! It's very telling that acting normal is upsetting them. Children are wise and under your guidance it's to be expected that your daughter won't be fooled.
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Dinner plans canceled because "I need to talk to the elders". Huh?
by Darkknight757 inso this past week the wife and i have received several phone calls and text messages from our old hall.
we were also invited out to dinner to catch up with some old friends.
an hour before dinner this guys wife messaged my wife and said that she "can't wait for tonight!!
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redpilltwice
Welcome to the spiritual paradise... rude indeed! And remember that in paradise, these guys will be ruling as princes for justice itself.
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Crisis of Conscience Raymond Franz
by Disassociated Lady 2 inthis book has been recommended to me a few times.
is it worth reading?.
how could i get a copy without paying the massive amount stated on amazon and ebay?
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redpilltwice
A must read...it saved about 1,000,000 souls and counting. I read it during my fade, 20 years too late. I'm sure you already know how to get it "cheap" by now.
