from retraction watch:.
when you have 94 retractions, what's two more?.
attention joachim boldt: the 1990s are calling, and they want their papers back.the annals of thoracic surgery has retracted two papers from the early 1990s on which boldt was the first author – bringing the retraction tally for the disgraced german anesthesiologist to 96, by our count.
Thanks for this added information orphanCrow. I indeed remember an earlier thread about dr. Boldt. very interesting!
Most JW's however would not bring up the blood issue in field circus unless they are triggered by a person that has critical questions. I hope in cases when dr. Boldt is refered to as an authority regarding bloodless surgery, this info has already reached that person/householder.
23 days ago, zeb posted this familiar but ever intriguing thread regarding 1914, the mother of all topics.. put youir [sic] thinking caps on.zeb 23 days ago this was sent to me from doug shields blog.
for those who like stats and numbers may find this of interest.1914 – recognizing the ”the elephant in the room”.
the problem with the date ”1914 ad” lays with the two calendars that are involved – jewish and gregorian.
Thank you all for your input, I assume many won't give a sh*t about this whole matter, but it matters to ME. I love consistancy, the same reason e.g. we consider 144,000 NOT literal because the rest of the surrounding verses (and Revelation in general) is symbolic. You can't have it both ways, right?
By that SAME rule, we agree that 7 times, or 2520 years, need to be counted as Jewish years. That would lead us, as the OP concluded, to 1886 AD instead of 1914 AD, a difference of 28 years.
But if we count 70 years as Jewish years, that would still bring us to a total of 70 years. The difference between using the Jewish and Gregorian calender would be 350 days, which is almost a full Jewish year of 360, but still wouldn't count as one, right?.
That difference however, when put under scrutiny, would be of influence when considering shorter periods of, let's say months, during those critical events. When it comes to history and calculations, details matter, right? It's not that I doubt historical science, but I'm just not aware of the "proper" use of 70 Jewish years in calculations by all oposing parties.
23 days ago, zeb posted this familiar but ever intriguing thread regarding 1914, the mother of all topics.. put youir [sic] thinking caps on.zeb 23 days ago this was sent to me from doug shields blog.
for those who like stats and numbers may find this of interest.1914 – recognizing the ”the elephant in the room”.
the problem with the date ”1914 ad” lays with the two calendars that are involved – jewish and gregorian.
scratchme1010 > Wordly sources?
Scratchme, get me straight...I agree with those historians and I don't agree with the WT so you'll have to forgive me the use of the term. Consider it a leftover from 20 years of indoctrination ok?
The question still stands however...is 70 years to be considered 70 Jewish years of 360 days (just as is the case with 2520 years)?
23 days ago, zeb posted this familiar but ever intriguing thread regarding 1914, the mother of all topics.. put youir [sic] thinking caps on.zeb 23 days ago this was sent to me from doug shields blog.
for those who like stats and numbers may find this of interest.1914 – recognizing the ”the elephant in the room”.
the problem with the date ”1914 ad” lays with the two calendars that are involved – jewish and gregorian.
23 days ago, Zeb posted this familiar but ever intriguing thread regarding 1914, the mother of all topics.
put youir [sic] thinking caps on.
zeb 23 days ago This was sent to me from Doug Shields blog. For those who like stats and numbers may find this of interest.
1914 – Recognizing the ”The elephant in the room”. The problem with the date ”1914 AD” lays with the two calendars that are involved – Jewish and Gregorian. The JW ”prophecy” of the ”7 TIMES”, which equals 2520 days/years, minus 607 (the years before Christ) leaves 1,913 years ”after Christ”. (The ”year ONE” – BC / AD problem will be taken into account later.) BUT…Those 1913 years must be counted as Jewish years of 360 days each – they do NOT suddenly become Gregorian years of 365.2425 days. Those 1,913 Jewish years (after Christ) have to be transposed from Jewish years into Gregorian years, do they not? The way to do that, would be to multiply 1,913(the number of Jewish years since Christ) times 360 days, to get the total number of days in that time period. And then divide that number by 365.2425 (the Gregorian number of days in a year) to arrive at the number of years it represents in our calendar. (The number 365.2425 takes care of the Leap years.) Therefore, 1,913 Jewish years, times 360 (Jewish days in a year) equal 688,680 Jewish days. Now, divide that number by 365.2425 to transpose it into our calendar. It comes to the year 1885 AD. The ”year ONE” – BC / AD problem still has to be taken into account. Jehovah’s Witnesses added one year, so the number of years becomes 1886 AD. 1886 AD should have been claimed as the ”YEAR THE MESSIANIC KINGDOM WAS SET UP” —- not 1914. This is the “elephant in the room”- something too ”big” to be seen. We were all focused on the 607 BC – 587 BC problem, and couldn’t see this one. If we can reach people (flood the internet) with this information, we will help many in JW.org to leave. If the year, ”1914” goes, many of their (present-day) dates go with it. They fall down like dominoes. PLEASE HELP. If we blitz the internet, we can cause a furor. JW.org will have a hard time doing damage control.
Now (for the sake of consistancy) my question is...shouldn't this whole Jewish/Gregorian-calender-thing also be applied to the biblical number 70 as well? I mean, if 2520 (7 times) are to be counted as 2520 jewish years of 360 days, shouldn't we also count 70 years of desolation as Jewish years of 360 days?
Wouldn't this simplify the whole (and sometimes lenghty) argument against this JW core doctrine even more? Or...would this even be in conflict with worldly sources who all argue against WT's year 607 bce?
I really want to know...please share your thoughts/info.
so i called in to my local walgreens pharmacy to get my blood pressure medicine refilled.
i go to the pharmacy to pick it up and they tell me that the doctor has denied filling it saying to them, "prescription refill not appropriate".
i asked them what that means and they say you'll have to contact your doctor on that, sorry.
greetings fellow brothers and sisters,.
i'm looking to visit cuba and was thinking of traveling to san miguel, cuba and i was wondering if anyone has kingdom hall addresses (phone/address/location) want to visit my brothers there.
i do hope someone can help me, i'm out of options :).
My god, this thread is getting so hilarious, it already made my day.
in reading these posts, it sounds like a lot of you are very jealous of the wt.
society’s annual income and the money they/we have in the bank.
jehovah has indeed blessed us.
Deaconblues1914,
you seem to be a troll. Nevertheless...
You told doubtfull1799 (a new and respected member who left a very sincere first impression on this forum): "you are obviously a disgruntled elder. I've seen many of x-elders like you."
I've seen many too, not disgruntled but driven by their conscience, and more and more are coming to this forum with all kind of inside stories about the real world behind the fake smiles, just confirming what many of us already know for years. Isn't that telling you something? WT is losing a lot of NCO's. Much more than can be replaced. This is not what Jehovah has promised.
Furthermore, as wizzstick already pointed out...
how do you explain WT's history of false prophecies?
The end/fall of false religion/the ressurection would come/occur in:
1914
1915
1925
1941
1975
within' the 20th century
. . .
If you still believe you have the truth (and you do), then what about Jehovah's warning in Deuteronomy 18:20-22?
20 “‘If any prophet presumptuously speaks a word in my name that I did not command him to speak or speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die. 21 However, you may say in your heart: “How will we know that Jehovah has not spoken the word?” 22 When the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word is not fulfilled or does not come true, then Jehovah did not speak that word. The prophet spoke it presumptuously. You should not fear him.’
Do you still dare to preach "the truth" and at the same admit to people that the WT has been wrong at least 6 times?
The days of the uninformed will soon be over Deacon, so don't you dare to spread WT misquotations regarding the "last days" and false prophecies in God's name any longer!
due to last years success, i will post everything related to the 2017 regional convention in this thread.. to start us off.... thanks to exjw reddit user ich3b we have advance notice of the theme (this is not a joke!).
the theme for the 2017 regional convention is: "don’t give up!” .
as always, if you have access to confidential materials you would like to leak but need to protect your identity, pm me or email me: wifibandit1 (at) gmail.
Thank you Darkspilver!
Enduring Despite... Advancing age?
Wtf?? Again, another (overlapping) generation will come and go without seeing the big A. Maybe time for the GB to book a vacation to the moon, that's the closest they will get to jah!
knocked on a door on a saturday morning.
a window opened on the floor above me.
a grizzled old man stuck his head out and said, " we're all heathens here!
Before my time as a publisher, there happened to be some sort of scary tattooed guy who threatened to shoot and kill every next witness that would visit him. He was on the do-not-call-list with exclamation marks and "extremely dangerous" written in bold letters.
From my own experience...
One householder had the ultimate answer...a pack of three or four barking dogs! My wife ran away and I was slowly walking backwards, trusting the angels and keeping my bag between me and the dogs until I was on the street. Had to walk some distance to my car but luckily the dogs didn't fellow. My wife never forgave me for doing that one more house around the corner in the outside area. Lol
hey guys!
i'm new on this site and am a non jw here married to a jw.
my husband's family are active members and they daily post articles on facebook from jw.org which i know is meant for me to see and read.
Whipped to death???
Holy s%¥t THAT is brutal.
But not very clever to borrow a torture stake from Greek mythology in order to prove a religious point as part of "the truth".
