i would like to know if ex's and formers who are not church christians, believe that many of jws' doctrines and bible interpretations are correct, or do you feel that they aren't?
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Who is to say if any interpretation is correct. Maybe Watchtower is run by max men or maybe the Bible was written by mad men in the fist place.
I remember learning that JWs are the only ones who interpret Michael the archangel to be Jesus. They purely say who else could throw Satan out of heaven.
Everything comes down to interpretation. Maybe we are interpreting the entire Bible wrong. I actually wonder if it’s even possible to be interpreted correctly? Now there is a question?
even elders can be part of the new jw lite brigade these days.
they don’t need to go on door to door anymore and there is no requirement for anything really.. taking meeting parts is all dead easy you could turn up on the day with zero preparation because it’s all in the meeting workbook.. quarterly elders meetings are just old men having a good old natter just like old men do down the pub.. congregations could be likened to pubs or bars these days just without the drinks, those come at other times.. no need for territory maps, these almost went away with covid letter writing now they are extremely slow getting finished as those who still go door to door only do ten mins.. you could even voice your questions these days about things the gb say and then just say “we can’t be dogmatic we just don’t know”.
i predict they will say this about 1914 soon..
“PIMOs should be on guard!! The fact that they KNOW of this New Lite would be incriminating if they mention it to the wrong person!”
There is definitely talk going round that there are some big updated understandings!
How would anyone know this if it’s not from leaked videos originally?
I hear talk about how this AGM surpasses 2013 one with the new Bible. They said that in unreleased parts of the AGM, so how would rank and file know this? Unless it’s just from those who were actually there?
I’m looking forward to the December broadcast and see if they do decide to release the talks about last minute repentance and then see what the rank and file make of it all?
SO NOW THERE IS NO NEED TO REMAIN A PIMI JW, JUST BE PIMO THEN WAIT AND SEE YOU CAN ALWAYS RETURN IF THEY WERE RIGHT!
even elders can be part of the new jw lite brigade these days.
they don’t need to go on door to door anymore and there is no requirement for anything really.. taking meeting parts is all dead easy you could turn up on the day with zero preparation because it’s all in the meeting workbook.. quarterly elders meetings are just old men having a good old natter just like old men do down the pub.. congregations could be likened to pubs or bars these days just without the drinks, those come at other times.. no need for territory maps, these almost went away with covid letter writing now they are extremely slow getting finished as those who still go door to door only do ten mins.. you could even voice your questions these days about things the gb say and then just say “we can’t be dogmatic we just don’t know”.
i predict they will say this about 1914 soon..
I doubt anyone would bother deep faking the GB they are nobody special. If JW apologists say they were deep fakes it would be easy to prove no they really did say that.
December broadcast will be part 2 of the AGM so it will be interesting to see what they decide to show. This will be the time when many more could wake up.
even elders can be part of the new jw lite brigade these days.
they don’t need to go on door to door anymore and there is no requirement for anything really.. taking meeting parts is all dead easy you could turn up on the day with zero preparation because it’s all in the meeting workbook.. quarterly elders meetings are just old men having a good old natter just like old men do down the pub.. congregations could be likened to pubs or bars these days just without the drinks, those come at other times.. no need for territory maps, these almost went away with covid letter writing now they are extremely slow getting finished as those who still go door to door only do ten mins.. you could even voice your questions these days about things the gb say and then just say “we can’t be dogmatic we just don’t know”.
i predict they will say this about 1914 soon..
Vidiot, the rank and file still don’t know the new lite unless they frequent apostate websites.
November broadcast showed a couple of boring talks that didn’t really say anything that was part 1 of the AGM and the order of talks was out of place.
I suspect they are thinking very carefully now about wether to actually release the other talks from the AGM at all, this is why they were not shown on November broadcast. They were taken out as there are almost certainly discussions about the first talk by one of the new members of the GB about how they get new lite.
Then the other talks with new lite about last minute repentance, this was the ground breaking new lite that means nothing else matters anymore. You don’t have to stay physically in you could wait and see if the GB were right after all.
The only ones who know about this new lite are those who were at the AGM or naughty apostates who watched the leaked footage.
Would not surprise me if they do a U turn on that for those who saw it and just pretend they never said that for those who didn’t see that.
Trouble is the internet is a forever machine, once you say something and it’s recorded online you can never ever claim you never said it.
I do hope one of the good YouTubers does an in depth comparison of the leaked AGM and what they release in all the parts in the Broadcasts.
It’s the parts they leave out are always the most interesting. I remember a few time they edited out the first leaked videos to what is actually shown in the broadcast
breaking news | highlights of 2023 worldwide service year report.
on november 15, 2023, the service committee of the governing body shared highlights of the 2023 worldwide service year report with the bethel family.
the following exciting increases were announced: baptisms: during the 2023 service year, 269,517 persons were baptized.
I would love to see a comparison chart of PIMIs vs PIMO and POMOs. They are obviously obverse as PIMIs slowly become PIMQ then PIMO.
One chart is going down dramatically and the other going up at a parabolic rate.
After this years AGM shocking new lite that you would be fine to sit on the fence or even leave entirely and have a last min change to join JWs again if it seemed like they were correct.
The GB took a big gamble with the changes at this years AGM. By dropping the reporting requirements they will get the rapidly growing number of inactive ones back on the active list, very clever when you think about it.
But on the other hand there could be this growing feeling that it all doesn’t matter anyway if you can do last minute repentance.
even elders can be part of the new jw lite brigade these days.
they don’t need to go on door to door anymore and there is no requirement for anything really.. taking meeting parts is all dead easy you could turn up on the day with zero preparation because it’s all in the meeting workbook.. quarterly elders meetings are just old men having a good old natter just like old men do down the pub.. congregations could be likened to pubs or bars these days just without the drinks, those come at other times.. no need for territory maps, these almost went away with covid letter writing now they are extremely slow getting finished as those who still go door to door only do ten mins.. you could even voice your questions these days about things the gb say and then just say “we can’t be dogmatic we just don’t know”.
i predict they will say this about 1914 soon..
Pascal was a clever man, but his 'wager' was really just a distortion, misapplication of cost/benefit analysis.
I wear a seat belt because, though unlikely, in the event of an accident, seatbelts have been demonstrated to offer some protection. Without those conditions I would be credulous to wear seatbelts.
If for instance, my mother told me that carrying a St. Christopher medal would protect me in an accident. Pascal would suggest it is logical to carry it. Many people do just that, rationalizing that is not worth the risk not to carry one. They are not being logical; they are afraid and intellectually lazy.
Pascals, wager cannot be applied to the myriad of contradicting supernatural claims of mystics and gurus. It fails to analyze the credibility or accuracy of claims made. It merely assumes the possibility of value without making an intellectually honest assessment of it. As such the 'wager' applies equally to every supernatural claim.
Those who reason that Pascal's wager compels them to be a JW, had better consider the wager equally suggests they ought be practicing Hindu or Muslim, or Branch Davidian etc. In fact the wager suggests we do them all.
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Yes Pascal’s wager can be applied to anything, it’s all about the choices you make.
PeacefulPete you are right that it needs careful thought and then you make a decision based on what you know. Wearing a seatbelt is a wager that you may have wasted your time putting it on but my personal choice is that it’s worth the wager when you look at the cost benefit ratio and the chances of you regretting your wager.
Carrying a medal for good luck or protecting yourself, yes you could say it’s a wager not to carry it because you think that’s all nonsense but looking at the cost benefit ratio I would be happy to take the wager that it’s not worth carrying it.
The wager that evolution was the origin of life rather than intelligent design is nearer the seatbelt than the medal for risk to reward and maybe regret your wager in the future
even elders can be part of the new jw lite brigade these days.
they don’t need to go on door to door anymore and there is no requirement for anything really.. taking meeting parts is all dead easy you could turn up on the day with zero preparation because it’s all in the meeting workbook.. quarterly elders meetings are just old men having a good old natter just like old men do down the pub.. congregations could be likened to pubs or bars these days just without the drinks, those come at other times.. no need for territory maps, these almost went away with covid letter writing now they are extremely slow getting finished as those who still go door to door only do ten mins.. you could even voice your questions these days about things the gb say and then just say “we can’t be dogmatic we just don’t know”.
i predict they will say this about 1914 soon..
The hard part would be not having the rest of the congregation look at you as ‘spiritually weak’
You would need to give the impression you are fully mentally in.
When I think about it, since Covid there are many who could be classed as being jw lite as they are on zoom most of the time but they are viewed as being PIMI.
things have changed because years ago you could not have done jw lite like you can today
Will a GB member fly first class to India to give a talk like he did for Germany
i posted what follows elsewhere but thought it might be of interest here as well.
my forst posting here so i apologize in advance if this is not in the correct place.. a tribute to ray franz (on what would have been his 98th birthday) and to ed dunlap, his collaborator.
last week would have marked the 98th birthday of a man for whom most of us here have high regard.
I wonder how Tony Morris departure from the governing body compares to Ray Franz?
Have their been any other members who were taken off the governing body since it’s inception?
his 1914 predictions failed...but did he succumb to depression as a result?.
There is talk that left his wife and secretary had a long term affair with one of his assistants ,
Maybe she wrapped him in the Toga as part of their kinky fun role play?
