am i the only one who can't reconcile new light with the light gets brighter?
if it matters at all.
i bring a candle into my house and light it.
It's the only way they can compensate for changing doctrine. Those of us that were in "ate it all up" so to speak because we needed to understand the changes.
Looking back now that I'm "outside" there was no improvement or "light getting brighter" it was pure simple and unadulterated changes.
i think the wt will never give up this practice unless forced to by the courts, even if they are financially failing terribly they will keep it because the moment they do get rid of it the whole thing will collapse even faster and they know it(or afraid of it happening).
they have painted themselves into a corner of financial ruin.
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They cannot, this is what helps keep control.
your thoughts...how is it that trump can dictate what goes on in other countries?
can anyone from another country come here and tell us what to do...trump is now the president of the world now, uh?.
i'm not really savvy regarding politics but i'm no dummy either...what the heck is going on in the world.... again, any thoughts ?
Capitol. @never a jw you should really think about talking to someone about your self harm over spelling errors:).
Actually it's much more complex. Jerusalem is one of the oldest cities in the world and has changed hands many times over 5000 years. Jewish settlers came in and pushed out Muslim Arabs in the 1920's I believe. Somewhat similar to the founding fathers of USA pushed out Native Americans to only portions of land. In Simons example the Native Americans could try to lay claim DC as their capital (sort of see below) and that would never happen.
Both Muslims, Jews & Christians have religious ties to Jerusalem. There isn't a simple solution. Some don't like the Native American comparison but it's really the closest one can come. Basically it's a minority/majority switch back in forth of population/rule over 5000 years until about 1920's then Jews became more dominate and laid claim.
I wish it were simple but it's not. I hope they can find peace there either by a two-state or a one state solution where Palestinians can move freely as they wish along with their jewish neighbors peacefully.
Peace is always good. I don't condone the violence but I acknowledge that frustration boils much like some of the exjw's burst into KH's, picket assemblies or yell at cart witnesses. I know I know those are not violent but they are both born out of frustration of not being listened to and that is what I'm talking about.
As for Trump recognizing Jerusalem thats really not a new stand as I mentioned congress passed that in 1995. It just hit 6 month waivers in order to help facility peace between Palestinians and Israel which I think everyone feels would be great everyone has tried including Trump admin, but history shows why it's not so easy:(
i think it's absolutely disgusting how the organisation has treated childhood victims of pedophilia and rape.
i think their "standards" of requiring two witnesses for belief is absurd.
i think how they try and quietly brush things under the rug in the back rooms of kingdom halls is completely despicable.
To some their politics is their religion and they will blindly follow their party. This is on both sides.
I can thank the WBTS for teaching me that I should read all sides of the issue instead of just one side:)
went to the meeting last night with my believing wife.
the co was visiting and delivered a really cult-ish talk on loyalty but that's another story.. they made the announcement that starting january 1st they were going to have only 3 congregations in this town instead of 4.. they are dissolving one and growing the territories of the remaining 3. the reason given is that many of the elders are getting up there in age and can't do what they used to do.
basically not enough elders and ministerial servants...or even men reaching out for that matter.
I ran across a lawsuit (elders vs insurance) where insurance refused to pay up for a judgement against the elders in a sexual molestation case. I'm trying to find it now.
That brings the question to any ex elders...did you have liability insurance that covered your "counseling" or is this a general KH insurance policy?
your thoughts...how is it that trump can dictate what goes on in other countries?
can anyone from another country come here and tell us what to do...trump is now the president of the world now, uh?.
i'm not really savvy regarding politics but i'm no dummy either...what the heck is going on in the world.... again, any thoughts ?
In 1995 I believe it passed in Congress to recognize Jerusalem as capitol.
However every president since (Including Trump) has signed a waiver to delay moving embassy in the interest of finding peace in the middle east. Trump has decided to end that, it will take some time to even find property etc so I'm thinking this won't be any time real soon.
Tor don't ever be sorry for asking questions that's what got some of us stuck in as JW's in the first place a fear of questions and the retribution we received when asking them. Some people are just very passionate we'll say especially when it comes to religion and politics:)
well it's been awhile since i got angry and wanted to post on here again.
last week's watchtower about the subject of love had something to say about the hard working attendants.
it seems that they are choosing to sit in the best seats at the convention.
Always bugged me that me in a dress and small babies I had to climb over my husband who sat on the end seat to take the children out sometimes several times a meeting.
It seemed to me he in PANTS and with much longer legs could easier get up and down and over me:)
chapter 49. cool aid anyone?.
this was of course great news for my wife.
all the talk in the congregation about who had caused our spit up was now over.
I think the worse is that one can be df'd in one cong for one thing but it's perfectly fine in another. THAT has always been my biggest issue, this is not the truth when "policies" are subject to different humans feelings.
in a recent canadian case i've seen (on line video in threads on here) the wt lawyer says that disfellowshipping isn't actual shunning but only a cutting off of spiritual association.
but what case is it and is there a transcript available on line?.
any other "good" examples from the point of view that it proves wt speak out of both sides of their mouths?.
Here's my issue...
I reg pioneered off and on and I always talked to my df family members and was super open to the elders that I would always talk to them because they were family and everything non spiritual was family business. I was never removed from my position nor counseled about it because I didn't 1. condone the behavior 2. pray with them or 3. discuss spiritual things which was the big no no 3.
So I think they have some freedom of speech because although they preach one thing they don't really df anyone for talking to their df family members.
Having said all this I've been out for 10+years, things could have changed but then again I would be skeptical because everything always seems to be regional/congregational i.e sisters must wear pantyhose, brothers must not wear colored shirts, etc that was different from place to place.
2 pioneers of the opposite sex.
the brother is in his mid-20s, sister is in her late 20s.
both are alone in car as the only 2 out in field service.
Last one I was reluctant to mention...
Elder and pioneer wife...
Wife has affair with elder husbands bible study that frequented their home and also same time frame their daughter marries fathers best friend also a JW twice her age.
Elder, ex pioneer wife and daughter all no longer in the truth.
I wish I was making this up, but this is my family:).
