Posts by inbetween09

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This week's Watchtower study - Really, really, really?

by eyeslice2 in

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interesting to see how they home in doctrines that are impossible to defend, even solely from a bible point of view, and state them as facts that only satan would question.. no same sex marriages - really?.

don't celebrate christmas and birthdays - really?.

refuse a life-saving blood transfusion - really?

inbetween09

@rickroll: totally agree with you. The bible, no matter if you view it as inspired by God or not, does clearly condemn homosexuality. There is no doubt about it. How else would you view the term "Men lay with men" or simlar expressions. The excuses and different interpretations are rather lame.

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Why Aren`t The G.B Members Representive Of All Nations ? and not just America ?

by smiddy3 in

are all of the governing .body .members american citizens ?

shouldn`t they at least represent a greater proportion of nations in light of jesus being a saviour of all the world ?.

god loved the world of mankind right ?

inbetween09

Lösch was born and raised in Austria

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JW type cult in Designated Survivor

by Mickey mouse in

did anyone else catch episode 10 of season 2 of designated survivor on netflix?

there was a group portrayed that were clearly meant to be jws; the mother was objecting to a blood transfusion for her baby.. the funny part was the debate amongst the white house staff as to whether they could be classified as a cult.

i found it interesting that they didn't go as far as to name the group as jws..

inbetween09

sorry for resurrecting an old thread, but just seen the episode on netflix yesterday.

It was so close to what actually could have happened with JW, almost astonishing close.

Of course, the idea, JW would refuse to be evacuated from a forest on fire to pressure the government would be a bit far fetched, but the scene in the hospital was quite realistic, as the mom finally agreed fo giving the baby daughter some of her blood to save her life.

Actually even for JW, the show di not really in any way ridicule their belief, it was rather done respectfully, even though none of the people outside the group (cult, religion) agreed with their stance regarding taking bible literla in this case.

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Wedding Rings.

by Lost in the fog in

we have long queried why so-called things of pagan or religious origin like christmas or easter are banned by the wts but the use of wedding rings were not.. i was talking about this with a friend who follows a wiccan path of belief and he has sent me the following information from one of his magic magazines.. quote: .

" why do we wear our wedding ring on our ‘ring finger’ ?

thus, to properly activate the ring finger we need to wear a golden ring on it.

inbetween09

Even in my days as full believer I had problems with this "pagan" origin thing.

Eventually I could make some sense of it, when religious festivals now are connectetd to traditions rooted in paganism. Thats why I could rather easily explain why JW do not celebrate easter and Christmas.

With other celebrations, like birthday, mothers day, even saying "cheers" etc, which are not in conection with worship today anymore, it was much more difficult, since on the other hand we have no objection to weeding rings, pinata, use of calendar etc.

I personally know JW, who are not awake, still having problems with understanding, why we do not not celebrate birthdays.

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kingdom halls

by inbetween09 in

this weeks meeting features a video about maintaining kingdom halls.

it mentions a few times, how kh belong to jehovah, and are dedicated to him.. anybody ever wondered, if they belong to jehovah, how come, they are being sold all the time?

can you give something to jehovah and then take it back?

inbetween09

This weeks meeting features a video about maintaining kingdom halls. It mentions a few times, how KH belong to Jehovah, and are dedicated to him.

Anybody ever wondered, if they belong to Jehovah, how come, they are being sold all the time? Can you give something to jehovah and then take it back?

How do they justify the selling of kingdom halls from a doctrinal viewpoint?

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Reaction to GDPR / field service letter

by sir82 in

here is a thread on the new letter to be read to all congregations in all branches on adjustments in door to door work due to the gdpr:.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6274619758608384/2019-boe-elders-letter-may-13-england-ireland-data-protection.

i have...connections....to a foreign language congregation in europe.

inbetween09

surley they will encourage fast return visits ( so the pub wont forget the name and adress, as well as topic of discussion) as seen in this weeks video of the life and ministry part..

But reality, especially in foreign language groups, where people work often unreglar due to their job situation, its increasingly hard to meet them after a short time again.

Sometimes you may try for weeks, in the meantime you forwarded your territory to someone else, who in turn might meet the person, but starts from zero again...

all in all not a pleasant situation, but hey, dont worry, Jehovah will surely fix it

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Reaction to GDPR / field service letter

by sir82 in

here is a thread on the new letter to be read to all congregations in all branches on adjustments in door to door work due to the gdpr:.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6274619758608384/2019-boe-elders-letter-may-13-england-ireland-data-protection.

i have...connections....to a foreign language congregation in europe.

inbetween09

Excellent post by inbetween09 above.

Thank you

There is no mention in the letter that they are appealing the court's decision, which seems a little odd. Wouldn't there be a higher court they could appeal to?

To my understanding, this was the supreme court in Europe, so no appeal possible.

Another maybe interesting question: Would this ruling not apply, if WT gave up some control on the preaching activity? Like reporting of time, pioneer status etc, Maybe then they could argue, that the preaching is really the personal way of worship of each individual publisher? Not that they ever would give up control...

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Reaction to GDPR / field service letter

by sir82 in

here is a thread on the new letter to be read to all congregations in all branches on adjustments in door to door work due to the gdpr:.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6274619758608384/2019-boe-elders-letter-may-13-england-ireland-data-protection.

i have...connections....to a foreign language congregation in europe.

inbetween09

There is an excerpt rom a talk given apparently in the German bethel regarding the new situation.

I got an opportunity to listen to it, and it really exposes the orgs desaster in this matter.

The brother went on, how Jehovahs does not need any notes anyway. So yeah, in the past, we all were encouraged to take precise notes, but now, we have the angels guiding us, so just forget about them. (So what about the past ? Did Jehovah need notes then ? What about other contries, where there is no data protection law like in EU, are the angels on holiday there, since the pubs still have to take notes? )

Then he related the example of how apostle Paul was guided by the spirit to find Lydia, he didn`t make notes.

Then he mentioned, that the GB waits, how it will turn out, in order to give more direction. (Hm, aren`t they supposed to be spirit guided? why wait how publishers will work it out ?)

And really weird was his thought, that we have been waiting for new directions from the GB regarding field service for years, and this may be one of those new guidelines. (huh ? the GB was forced by law to change things, it wasn`t any heavenly revelation apparently)

All in all a very weird and even somehow helpless explanation of the situation.

I wondered, didn`t they have any plan B in their sleeves ? The court ruling was last year already, it was not a complete surprise, but it seemend to me, like they were caught off guard.

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special talk

by inbetween09 in

yesterday was the premiere, at least in our hall.

the special talk was given first time before the memorial and on stream, not live.. must haven been outstanding, right ?

well.... it was a rather underwhelming experience, nothing special.

inbetween09

good point, listener

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special talk

by inbetween09 in

yesterday was the premiere, at least in our hall.

the special talk was given first time before the memorial and on stream, not live.. must haven been outstanding, right ?

well.... it was a rather underwhelming experience, nothing special.

inbetween09

Yesterday was the premiere, at least in our hall. The special talk was given first time before the memorial and on stream, not live.

Must haven been outstanding, right ?

Well...

It was a rather underwhelming experience, nothing special. However, there was one statement, that showed the true colours of JW, and it was done intentionally, as it was even repeated for emphasis:

I only can paraphrase, but it was like: "Only a babtized JW can attain eternal life".

Normally the org tiptoes around this question, its misleading on their website also.

But now we all heard it clear, either you are a JW or you die in harmageddon. This was not said directly, but its the logical consequence of the statement above.

Some brothers, who are fully in (at least to my knowledge), but have relatives, who are not JW, were upset about it.

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