Posts by wisdomfrombelow

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me and my new girlfriend

by justthenorm in

you see ive started dating this girl and her family is of strong jehova belief.

now i am not i do see certain things in there studie that is true in my opinion but ive never really been a religion type of person.

i think i want to marry her but i am not a jehovas witness and am not looking to be anytime at all she says that is ok and we can still get married but i dont know how its possible or where we would even do it please i need advice

wisdomfrombelow

I have to wonder why you are asking a group of strangers about who you should marry. We don't know her and we don't know you. We know the doctrine of Jehovah's Witnesses but that is it. Having a religious incompatibility is a HUGE problem for many people. But there are a lot of other things that are just as big or bigger issues.

I have known some Jehovah Witness women who would not convert you or would leave the religion for their husband. A lot of it depends on how she feels about you and what are her individual priorities. But that is for you to find out. We can give you "hypothetical situations" and give you things to ask her or ponder over but it is your decision and if you are not sure then you probably already have your answer.

I know Jews who work on the Sabbath, Muslims who eat pork, Catholics who use birth control and Jehovah's Witnesses who don't preach. Find out who she is and how she feels and then make your decision. And know yourself and understand that even if she was the same religion as you or if you converted that still won't assure success in marriage.

Good luck but it is your decision and we don't know her or know you so make sure you are ready for marriage before you marry anyone.

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THE WATCHTOWER (STUDY EDITION) JANUARY 2016

by wifibandit in

pdf .

this issue contains the study articles for february 29 to april 3, 2016.. what about the number of those partaking at the memorial?12, 13. why should we not worry about the number of those who eat the bread and drink the wine at the memorial?12 in recent years, we have seen an increase in the number of those partaking at the memorial of christs death.

that trend contrasts with the decrease in the number of partakers that we saw for many decades.

wisdomfrombelow

Reading about their new numbering system and seeing how it is inconsistent between the public and study issues is really strange. I wonder why they didn't just use No 2 instead of "January" for the study edition? Did they not think publishers could figure that out? Would it make it too easy to confuse with the public edition that they might inadvertently offer the study edition in the ministry? It is just another oddity.

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What’s the deal with all the Smart-Educated JWs?

by John Aquila in

we talk a lot about most jws being uneducated, uninformed, and that they lack critical thinking skills, but in my area there is a lot of jws that went to the university, medical school, law school, and came back to the organization.

in my circuit, that i know of, we had two electrical engineers, one computer engineer with a ph.d. eight teachers with a bachelors degree and three of those with a masters in education.

we had two medical doctors, one was a pediatrician who closed his business about 3 years ago and went to bethel.

wisdomfrombelow

I also have noticed that the well-educated witnesses tend to associate with each other and therefore it reinforces their willingness to stay. Some of them also "try harder" by pioneering and reaching out to show that the Society is wrong by saying worldly education will lead you away from Jehovah.

Also, some of them seem to be drawn to the foreign-language groups since they can use their mind learning a new language instead of just going to a mind-numbing english language meeting. Also, if they marry less-educated witnesses there might be a challenge to defend their education by staying in as well.

I know many of them that see the flaws but don't know how to get out or don't want to suffer the change in social status that leaving will result in.

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What other Shenanigans can we expect to see in the next 2 years?

by John Aquila in

its been a little over 2 years since i left the watchtower.

in that time the magazines have been cut, the birth of jwtv, jw-org.

carts for preaching, removed district overseers, cut assemblies, demand all the money from the congregations, stop construction and layoff bethelites, change the format of the tmschool .

wisdomfrombelow

Rank and file publishers being asked to create a user account on jw.borg by signing up with their full name, country of residence, the name of their congregation and a special, unique publisher code given to them by the service overseer in the congregation. That way, Watchtower can authenticate that the person signing up is a true active JW.

That is exactly what they don't want. They want any direct responsibility or oversight of the publishers to be handled by their henchmen. They really don't care if someone gets the "JW Only" materials. They care about the "Elder Only" materials. They don't care about the publishers as individuals, they only care about them as collective groups.

I could envision them changing the names of the magazines. (Awake has undergone 2 name changes). Something more modern and that would give the publishers something new to be distracted by. They could also charge congregations or circuits a fee and then visit and interview select publishers and have it appear on their TV channel or something like that.

Just like they charge back the cost of the COs visit they could find a way to get more money in exchange for more exposure on their website. Or maybe they will find a way to give a title to someone who gives a tithe so they will be called a modern day Nazarite or something else and then they can highlight that not everyone can give 10% of their time to be a pioneer but they can give 10% of their income and be something else. (Just like they had something for construction workers.)

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Cult or Religion

by Richard C B in

what is a cult and what is a religion?

its open to debate.

who has the authority to say for certain what is a cult and what is a religion?

wisdomfrombelow

To OP,

Since you have started this thread I would suggest you define the terms "cult" and "religion" so that it is clear to everyone and yourself what you mean. The definition in a dictionary is not always the same as the connotation that the word carries to certain individuals.

For a long time the Jehovah's Witnesses didn't even refer to themselves as a religion. They self-identified as something else. What most people seem to agree on are the characteristics of the organization and how many view it them as dangerous. If you call it a cult or call it a tulc or luct or anything else...that is just a series of letters. When you get to describing what they are, then each person can decide what word or word encompass it.

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1914 'Big A' WT Retraction/Apology?!

by lurkernomore in

so i just met with an old 'friend' who wanted a 'chat' after no contact for the best part of 4 years.

she obviously heard about the wonderful news of my abrupt fade :d. i guess i wanted to prove to myself that any future meet ups/chats with jw's would be pointless.

needless to say i proved myself right.

wisdomfrombelow

The only thing I know of that might be considered something like that was when they printed that Rutherford admitted he made "an ass of himself" regarding the 1925 resurrection of ancient worthies...

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new arrangement - chairman

by inbetween in

a thought on the emphasis of the importance of the new chairman arrangement at the midweek meeting:.

it reminds me of a tv-show, where the showmaster introduces tv-clips of some topics.. is it maybe a preparation for meetings with more and more videos ?.

and all the local brothers are doing is introducing them, creating anticipation for what big skydaddy prepared this week.. i wonder, if most of the meeting times in years to come will be videos anyway.....

wisdomfrombelow

No local needs ??

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First thoughts on "new" meeting...

by konceptual99 in

had a quick look at the workbook and flicked through the sample meeting video.. the increased use of video shows the trend for more centralised dissemination of "best practice" .

sure there isn't really a "school" any more and the format is a bit different but i think those that called it as the same old crap just in new package got it pretty much right.

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wisdomfrombelow

Those videos of the presentations are made so they can be translated in many languages. Everyone, no matter how poor, needs to get up with the digital revolution of the Society or be left behind.

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The NEW "Bible Teach" book

by Oubliette in

the new "bible teach" book is out!

thetruthbr has posted links for this and several other of the new publications.

as an educator, i am very interested in where the society is heading with their alleged "bible education" program.

wisdomfrombelow

I thought one reason to make everything clear and simple is it is easier to translate it properly and they have to translate into a lot of languages. They might even have their own limited dictionaries and so that they are sure terms they are used have consistent words in the languages they publish in. If they need to get something correct in 30 languages and have proofreaders that are qualified, they have to know english well enough as well as the target language very well. If they know the target language very well but don't know english as well then having simplified english is easier for them. Just my two cents...

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Template to dump Special Pioneers

by avaddohn94 in

"downsizing" has reached special pioneers.. this is the template mexico is using to get rid of many of its special pioneers.

see how cold and unloving is the language they use.

a translation attempt is as follows:.

wisdomfrombelow

Why the requirement to reapply? I suspect it's a legalistic ploy to protect WT from liability claims.

It seems like it has to be a legal requirement. Special pioneers could be viewed as employees for certain things and just reclassifying them won't seem like a big enough split. Having them totally removed and then reapply as something else would seem like a more complete split. Plus the Society doesn't approve the pioneer application, the local body of elders does so will be a complete break.

If the people "getting the boot" were not kind and haven't made enough friends in all the time they were in special service, too bad. It isn't like this should come as a total surprise as there have been lots of bethelites reassigned and branches closed in the past. If they refuse to think it could happen to them and didn't prepare then they are not wise like the virgins Jesus spoke about in his parable.

They have a few months before they are removed so I hope they will get onto social media and try to get friends if they don't have them and create a network to take care of themselves and their peers because that is likely all they will get out of this organization.