Are both groups SCOFFERS and RIDICULERS?

by Longlivetherenegades in

first group characterized by saying...... .

“where is this ‘coming’ he promised?

ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.”.

Abraham1

Jws have still time to correct themselves:

They can say one biblical generation is a life span of a spiritual person who died his natural death. Moses would be an ideal case. He lived 120 years (Deuteronomy 34:1-12), the full years of what God decreed as duration of one generation. (Genesis 6:3) That means First World war started in 1914 + 120 = 2034, which means “Last Days” or Last Generation would last till 2034.

Using Pandemic and Climate Emergency as the trigger point, they can easily proclaim to the world that "Great Tribulation" is already underway from 2020's, and "If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened." (Mathew 24:22) It will only gain momentum as the years go by, and it will be cut short after 2034, and those who join the side of JWs will survive into the New World.

Interestingly, secular person gained the victory over JWs. John Hogue published a book in 2016 implying great tribulation would start from 2020 because the very title of his book was: "

The Roaring 2020s: Decade of Destruction and Transformation

http://www.hogueprophecy.com/predictions-2016-the-expanded-donors-only-edition/

People will readily accept such a message because they are desperate as the South Korea is now planning to do. (https://www.globalconstructionreview.com/south-korea-plans-to-host-worlds-first-floating-city-by-2025/)

What is needed is HUMILITY. But JWs are struck in the literal reading of "seventy years" exile foretold for the Jews. Yet Jews began returning after fifty years, state all of Jewish documents.

That means 70 years is like 120-year lifespan foretold for humans. (Genesis 6:3) Some will live less or more than 120 years.

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Is the preaching work Jesus taught being diluted during the pandemic?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

the real preaching work:.

2 timothy 4:2. preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching.. matthew 10:8.

“heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons.

Abraham1

JWs are struck in the literal reading of "seventy years" exile foretold for the Jews. Yet Jews began returning after fifty years, state all of Jewish documents.

That means 70 years is like 120-year lifespan foretold for humans. (Genesis 6:3) Some will live less or more than 120 years.

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Is the preaching work Jesus taught being diluted during the pandemic?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

the real preaching work:.

2 timothy 4:2. preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching.. matthew 10:8.

“heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons.

Abraham1

JWs can actually speed up the work if they slightly modify their teaching:

They can say one biblical generation is a life span of a spiritual person who died his natural death. Moses would be an ideal case. He lived 120 years (Deuteronomy 34:1-12), the full years of what God decreed as duration of one generation. (Genesis 6:3) That means First World war started in 1914 + 120 = 2034, which means “Last Days” or Last Generation would last till 2034.

Using Pandemic and Climate Emergency as the trigger point, they can easily proclaim to the world that "Great Tribulation" is already underway from 2020's, and "If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened." (Mathew 24:22) It will only gain momentum as the years go by, and it will be cut short after 2034, and those who join the side of JWs will survive into the New World.

Interestingly, secular person gained the victory over JWs. John Hogue published a book in 2016 implying great tribulation would start from 2020 because the very title of his book was: "

The Roaring 2020s: Decade of Destruction and Transformation

http://www.hogueprophecy.com/predictions-2016-the-expanded-donors-only-edition/

People will readily accept such a message because they are desperate as the South Korea is now planning to do. (https://www.globalconstructionreview.com/south-korea-plans-to-host-worlds-first-floating-city-by-2025/)

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2/2022 WT: a repeated request & more doubletalk

by neat blue dog in

we all know the now famous quote, "all of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.

" well, this point is regurgitated in the latest wt, along with yet another new bunker scene:.

"during the great tribulation, we may receive instructions that seem strange, impractical, or illogical .

Abraham1

Jesus never intended his followers to grow into a religious establishment made up of hierarchy because he described such growth as the characteristics of gentiles. (Luke 22:24-26) Now JWs have already made themselves into such establishment. To safeguard their position, they have to say things like this.

Sign of God’s people or sign of God’s blessing is that "God will make even their enemies to be at peace with them." (Proverbs 16:7) If JWs had dealt with those who had serious doubts, they would have continued to be JWs, and would not have gone out exposing them.

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A single Bible verse that explains everything—hope even to the disfellowshipped

by Abraham1 in

"through love and faithfulness sin is atoned for;.

through the fear of the lord evil is avoided.” (proverb 16:6, niv).

sin can be cancelled [yə·ḵup·par] by acts of goodness such as kindness [bə·ḥe·seḏ] and faithfulness, and sin can be avoided in loving remembrance [ū·ḇə·yir·’aṯ] of god.

Abraham1

Thank you for the good wishes. Have a great day.

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A single Bible verse that explains everything—hope even to the disfellowshipped

by Abraham1 in

"through love and faithfulness sin is atoned for;.

through the fear of the lord evil is avoided.” (proverb 16:6, niv).

sin can be cancelled [yə·ḵup·par] by acts of goodness such as kindness [bə·ḥe·seḏ] and faithfulness, and sin can be avoided in loving remembrance [ū·ḇə·yir·’aṯ] of god.

Abraham1

I am using the same reasoning for many years and also helped some to come out of JWs.

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A single Bible verse that explains everything—hope even to the disfellowshipped

by Abraham1 in

"through love and faithfulness sin is atoned for;.

through the fear of the lord evil is avoided.” (proverb 16:6, niv).

sin can be cancelled [yə·ḵup·par] by acts of goodness such as kindness [bə·ḥe·seḏ] and faithfulness, and sin can be avoided in loving remembrance [ū·ḇə·yir·’aṯ] of god.

Abraham1

Punkofnice,

My focus is not people like you who already left JWs, but those who are doubtful, and not yet left JWs. It would be a help to such ones. You people are already free, and do not need anything of this sort.

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New World Translation is not much different other translations

by Abraham1 in

key scripture 2 timothy 3:16 should have been translated as “every scripture inspired of god is also profitable for teaching” like many other serious translations (such as american standard version ; douay-rheims bible etc) as it is what the greek text says.. this is in harmony with the contents of bible and also with the writer paul himself who knew after his departure ‘even from his own number men will arise and distort the truth.’ (acts 20:29-30) for example, verses such as romans 7:19 is such distortion.

such verses cannot originate from real paul who was “holy, righteous and blameless.” (1 thessalonians 2:10) hence paul had the freeness of speech to tell others to be “blameless” like him (1 thessalonians 5:19-23; ephesians 5:24) there are many things in the scriptures which are not inspired such as words of satan, words of job’s wife and his false friends, words of judas, lot’s daughters …etc.

apostle peter never disowned jesus because if he had done so, his contemporaries would have interrupted him when he rebuked jews, saying: “you disowned the holy and righteous one and asked that a murderer be released to you.“ (acts 3:14) his listeners would have asked him “what right do you have to reprove us for ‘disowning jesus” when you yourself have done it first?” all such verses or accounts were later adoptions.

Abraham1

Another problem with New World Translation of JWs:

Jesus’ opening verse on the Sermon on the Mount was: “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.” (matthew/5-3) Greek Test doesn’t allow it to be put it differently.

But JWs translated it as “Happy are those conscious of their spiritual need, since the Kingdom of the heavens belongs to them.” (Mathew 5:3, https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/matthew/5/)

This lacks the meaning because in Mathew 5:3 Jesus used Greek word pneuma (spirit) the same word He used to define God our Father. (John 4:24, https://biblehub.com/greek/strongs_4151.htm) Spirit has no need to be conscious of as its very nature is to overflow with good qualities such as “love, joy, peace, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness …etc”—just like nature of Father the spirit is. (Galatians 5.22-23). It can be contrasted with its opposite—flesh—person focused on flesh doesn’t have to be conscious of such qualities as “anger, envy” etc which are naturally flowing from flesh and which are spoken as the disqualification for God’s Kingdom. (Galatians 5:19-21; 1 John 2:15-17) Poor in spirit and being pure in spirit are one and the same as its fruits are same--being submissive to laws of God (James 3.17; Psalm/119:1). It's all has to do with quality, not quantity. (Mathew 16:24)

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Missed opportunity of Jehovah’s Witnesses

by Abraham1 in

jesus had foretold that people of "last days" would “faint out of fear” because of things such as “sea-level rise’ as part of “signs of last days” in luke 21:25. bible translators—including new world translation of jehovah’s witnesses—missed the real meaning as they translated it as “roaring of the sea and its agitation.” (https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/nwt/books/luke/21/).

more careful translations such as niv put it: “roaring and tossing of the sea.” (https://biblehub.com/luke/21-25.htm) word for “tossing” is σάλου (salou), from saino; i.e., billow,” (swell outwards).

thus underlying thought is like balloon swelling, or water flowing outwards, as though ready to roll over, thus points to the modern terminology “sea-level rise.” biblos interlinear translation (int:) translates it as “of [the] sea and rolling surge.” “rolling sea.” (a greek lexicon to the new testament, edward robinson (d.d., page 416) (a greek lexicon to the new testament on the basis of dr. robinson ... by c. robson).. jesus’ original use of the wording “tossing of the sea” is another way of saying “sea-level would rise” as a result of pollution of air.

Abraham1

Situation is far different from what was some decades ago. https://www.ft.com/content/207a8762-e00c-4926-addd-38a487a0995f

https://www.economist.com/international/2021/11/20/the-glasgow-summit-left-a-huge-hole-in-the-worlds-plans-to-curb-climate-change

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A single Bible verse that explains everything—hope even to the disfellowshipped

by Abraham1 in

"through love and faithfulness sin is atoned for;.

through the fear of the lord evil is avoided.” (proverb 16:6, niv).

sin can be cancelled [yə·ḵup·par] by acts of goodness such as kindness [bə·ḥe·seḏ] and faithfulness, and sin can be avoided in loving remembrance [ū·ḇə·yir·’aṯ] of god.

Abraham1

"I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free.” (Michael Angelo)

Try the same attitude with the Bible, all confusions will be cleared. Bible is like a marble piece which contains both—words of ordinary characters and words of real prophets who were linked with God, and these two groups are often opposed to each other (Mathew 23:37; Jeremiah 20:3) as the ordinary characters are often pleasure-oriented and prophets are truth-oriented. Prophets are true even when they speak about future. (missed-opportunity-jehovahs-witnesses). Hence if you take only sayings of the real prophets (1-thessalonians/5/19-23), then you have the truth.

For example,

1) According to matthew/5/43-48; Isaiah-66-3 all killings supposedly ordered by God belong to human writers, not to God.

2) According to james/1-13 all accounts in which God supposedly “tested” people are from human writers, not from God.

3) According to God’s own testimony, King David never erred in any matter (1KI.14.8). That means all derogatory accounts about David such as his adultery, murder etc belong to envious human writers, not to God. So is the case with apostle Paul who was “holy, righteous and blameless” (1-thessalonians/2/4-10) and had freeness of speech to tell others to be “blameless” like him (1 Thessalonians 5:19-23; Ephesians 5:24). That means verses such as Romans 7:19 do not belong to Paul, but to someone envious of Paul. Similarly, verses such as Galatians 6:5, 7; 2 Corinthians 9:6 reflect the mind of Christ (Mark 4:24; Mathew 12:32) Hence all verses contradictory to such absolute statements cannot be from Paul, but from someone envious of Paul.

4) The verses that show Apostle Peter disowned Jesus belong to human writers, not to God. Because, if apostle Peter had really disowned Jesus, his contemporaries would have interrupted him when he rebuked Jews, saying: “You disowned the Holy and Righteous One and asked that a murderer be released to you.“ (Acts 3:14) His listeners would have asked him “What right do you have to reprove us for ‘DISOWNING Jesus” when you yourself have done it first?” All such verses or accounts were later adoptions. (2 Timothy 4:3)

Now you know which verses in the Bible belong to human writers and which verses belong to God and His prophets. No confusion at all. (Daniel 12:10) Also see https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5915507227099136/new-world-translation-much-different-other-translations

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