Posts by Abraham1

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May 2022 Study Watchtower - FAKE prophecy again for JW's

by BoogerMan in

may 2022 study watchtower page 6, par.

5 “satan instigated an attack on the anointed brothers who were taking the lead in the kingdom-preaching work.

prominent ones among them were the figurative “two witnesses” spoken of as being killed.”.

Abraham1

This has nothing to do with “abomination that causes desolation” mentioned in Mathew 24:15 which JWs mistook as UN. Governments or their any representative body cannot become abomination because they are collectively called "servant of God." (Romans 13:1-6) This is because they reward the good people and punish the criminals (Proverbs 21:1) Thus does the will of God on earth.

Religious leaders are called ‘brood of viper’ or serpent (Mathew 12:34; Luke 3:7) because they distort the true picture of God (Mathew 15:9; 23:13) and Law of Consequence (Mark 5:24-25), yet claim to be positioned in holy place. Original serpent suggested ‘God is an obstacle on your path to your ultimate progress which can be achieved only by rejecting His laws. They rejected laws such as Monogamy, and Vegetarian Diet (Genesis 1:29; 6:2; 10:9) which means they went after violence. Hence Jesus compared pre-flood world as being engrossed in “eating, drinking and marrying”—thus he deliberately left out any literally violent or wicked acts by men. (Mathew 24:37-39) For God even refusal to love is also “an act of violence and faithlessness.” (Malachi 2:16)

Religion continues to sanctify animal killings which God considers as an ABOMINATION which would automatically make killing of a human for sacrificial purpose EVEN MORE ABOMINATION in the eyes of God. (Isaiah 66:3-4) Through the celebrated teaching of Ransom Sacrifice of Jesus, God is presented as an incapable driver who uninsightfully drove his vehicle (creation) into an unknown and difficult terrain and did not know how to reverse and to put the vehicle on track again. He needed the help of Jesus who thus first became the Saviour of GOD HIMSELF and later Saviour of mankind who put faith in such act of ABOMINATION. (Mathew 24:15)

Hence wrong understanding + another wrong understanding would only make a big wrong!

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Isn’t JW’s teaching of “the abomination that causes desolation” wrong?

by Abraham1 in

what “the abomination that causes desolation” mentioned in mathew 24:15 means could be understood only by close followers of jesus because it was part of his personal discussion with them.

by stopping to greet those whom they consider as “their enemies” jws are identifying themselves as “pagans,” according to jesus.

(mathew 5:43-48) thus they cannot correctly understand what the abomination that causes desolation” that would appear as part of signs of “last days.”.

Abraham1

Here is one more serious mistake that is going to cost JWs very dearly because of the recent world development.

The West and NATO seem to have misjudged Putin who is all set to redeem his lost Empire because of Gorbachev who acted in the interest of the West. This would mean, at some point in time, US has to intervene to stop Russia’s advance. But this would mean end of US world power status, according to Nostradamus predictions.

This will be a shame to JWs too who all along were saying it is North King (Russia) that is going to meet with end, not South King (US-led forces). JWs took the Bible prophecy literally North and South as geographically. But Bible was using those terms to depict two contrasting ideologies.

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This good news of the kingdom

by Rattigan350 in

growing up around the faith, whenever i heard something taught, i'd always think there is a different way of looking at that, probably better.. we always hear "this good news of the kingdom will be preached... " matt 24:14.. so i think, is there more to it than preaching the kingdom?.

luke 17:21 the kjv and asv says "neither shall they say, lo here!

or, lo there!

Abraham1

Boogerman,

You are right. They will not listen to correction. But this is going to cost them very dearly because of the recent world development.

The West and NATO seem to have misjudged Putin who is all set to redeem his lost Empire because of Gorbachev who acted in the interest of the West. This would mean, at some point in time, US has to intervene to stop Russia’s advance. But this would mean end of US world power status, according to Nostradamus predictions.

This will be a shame to JWs too who all along were saying it is North King (Russia) that is going to meet with end, not South King (US-led forces). JWs took the Bible prophecy literally North and South as geographically. But Bible was using those terms to depict two contrasting ideologies.

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Watchtower talking bad about other religions

by asp59 in

do you remember the time when every watchtower article seemed like a boasting session?

how great watchtower was.

they we're the only one with holy spirit.

Abraham1

Regarding a pagan, Jesus said: "When Jesus heard this, he was amazed and said to those following him, “Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. " (Mathew 8:10) Such instances are there at least four numbers--showing they are only sample and Jesus consistently praised good wherever it was found--whether it is pagan or not.

But JWs can never even think of doing such a thing!

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Why does the Lord always want to take his fury against innocent animals?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

genesis 6. .

5 the lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time.

6 the lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.

Abraham1

Sea Breeze,

When asked "Why did you break Sabbath?"

Jesus defended it saying “My Father worketh until now; and I work.” (John 5:16-17) God and Jesus worked all the days, which means Jesus was not aware of Genesis Account that describes a God who works six days and takes rest on seventh day. Concept of Sabath was later adoption. Yet Jesus did refer to what is given in Genesis 5:1 which says “God ‘made them male and female.” (Mark 10:6) Jesus upheld the SIMULTANEOUS making of mankind in “God’s image, as male and female”—not the God-dishonorng account of making woman out of rib out of man! God would never inspire an account which indirectly conveys the patriarchal mind-set—especially so when God Himself refers to Himself as woman and also as Father. (Deuteronomy 32:18; Isaiah 63:16; Mathew 6:9)

That means Jesus is not aware of a story that tells we became sinners because of first Adam, which requires second Adam, Jesus, should die on our behalf. Compare John 5:24; 1 John 2:17.

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Why does the Lord always want to take his fury against innocent animals?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

genesis 6. .

5 the lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time.

6 the lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.

Abraham1

Not because God of OT is different from God of NT but because

Bible contains all sorts of characters—good and bad. So are its writers—good and bad.

God-dishonoring writers added such accounts which depict God as killer of humans and animals, and were so thoughtless that they added such accounts in Genesis Chapter 6, immediately after Genesis 5 where we read “God made mankind in HIS IMAGE.” (Genesis 5:1) In contrast, God-honoring writers wrote such things as Isaiah 66:3-4; Mathew 5:43-48; 10:29-31 etc.

God-dishonoring writers will have their agenda, and are thoughtless too. For example, immediately after saying things such as “With the measure you use, it will be measured to you” (Luke 6:38) we find Jesus is shown as supposedly declaring things such as Luke 7:26-28 contradicting himself and all known logic:

John the Baptist is not merely a prophet, but “more than a prophet.” (Luke 7:26)

“Among those born of women there is no one greater than John; yet the one who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.” (Luke 7:28)

In effect, it is like a king saying about a person: “This man is more than a father to me, but in my new palace which I am constructing now, he will be treated less than a house-servant.” What ingratitude it is, what logic it is!!!

And thoughtless interpreters would interpret it as saying “This is the proof that Jesus spoke of two different hopes—HEAVENLY and EARTHLY—and John the Baptist has only earthly hope, not heavenly hope.”

Thus agenda is implemented--two HOPES were introduced—Jesus as the first fruit to the heavenly hope and his chosen 144000 as belonging to “Kingdom of Heaven,” and all others as belonging to earthly hope called “Kingdom of God.”

This teaching belongs to God-dishonoring writers because Jesus taught both “Kingdom of God” and “Kingdom of Heaven” as one and the same, both are used interchangeably. (Mathew 19:23-24; 11:11; Luke 7:28) It is “Kingdom of Heaven” because the one who “restores and renews” is God the Father in the Heavens. (Mathew 6:9; 19:28; Acts 3:21) Its effects are enjoyed by people of “restored and renewed earth” hence its “Kingdom of God.” (Revelation 21:1, 5)

This only shows serpent is not one-time occurrence as shown in Genesis 3, but it is continuous. (1 Thessalonians 5:21)

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New World Translation is not much different other translations

by Abraham1 in

key scripture 2 timothy 3:16 should have been translated as “every scripture inspired of god is also profitable for teaching” like many other serious translations (such as american standard version ; douay-rheims bible etc) as it is what the greek text says.. this is in harmony with the contents of bible and also with the writer paul himself who knew after his departure ‘even from his own number men will arise and distort the truth.’ (acts 20:29-30) for example, verses such as romans 7:19 is such distortion.

such verses cannot originate from real paul who was “holy, righteous and blameless.” (1 thessalonians 2:10) hence paul had the freeness of speech to tell others to be “blameless” like him (1 thessalonians 5:19-23; ephesians 5:24) there are many things in the scriptures which are not inspired such as words of satan, words of job’s wife and his false friends, words of judas, lot’s daughters …etc.

apostle peter never disowned jesus because if he had done so, his contemporaries would have interrupted him when he rebuked jews, saying: “you disowned the holy and righteous one and asked that a murderer be released to you.“ (acts 3:14) his listeners would have asked him “what right do you have to reprove us for ‘disowning jesus” when you yourself have done it first?” all such verses or accounts were later adoptions.

Abraham1

Doubting Thomas,

You said "We're judged tru our works with GRACE."

Paul is free to contradict what Jesus said.

But readers are free to reject it like Jesus (Mathew 19:4-8)

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New World Translation is not much different other translations

by Abraham1 in

key scripture 2 timothy 3:16 should have been translated as “every scripture inspired of god is also profitable for teaching” like many other serious translations (such as american standard version ; douay-rheims bible etc) as it is what the greek text says.. this is in harmony with the contents of bible and also with the writer paul himself who knew after his departure ‘even from his own number men will arise and distort the truth.’ (acts 20:29-30) for example, verses such as romans 7:19 is such distortion.

such verses cannot originate from real paul who was “holy, righteous and blameless.” (1 thessalonians 2:10) hence paul had the freeness of speech to tell others to be “blameless” like him (1 thessalonians 5:19-23; ephesians 5:24) there are many things in the scriptures which are not inspired such as words of satan, words of job’s wife and his false friends, words of judas, lot’s daughters …etc.

apostle peter never disowned jesus because if he had done so, his contemporaries would have interrupted him when he rebuked jews, saying: “you disowned the holy and righteous one and asked that a murderer be released to you.“ (acts 3:14) his listeners would have asked him “what right do you have to reprove us for ‘disowning jesus” when you yourself have done it first?” all such verses or accounts were later adoptions.

Abraham1

Doubting Thomas,

Jesus taught everyone would be judged according to his works (Mathew 5:22, 29; 7:2; 12:32; 23:12; 25:31-46; 26:52; Luke 6:38) (Revelation 22:11, 12)

These verses rule out GRACE which apostle Paul taught as "his gospel." (Romans 2:16)

If GRACe is true, Jesus would NOT have said:

“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.” (Mathew 7:13, 14)

Later Jesus explained “narrow gate” as simple life with more importance on spirituality, with what is just enough for the sustenance—may be what is enough for one generation. (Mathew 8:20; 16:24) Interestingly, Jesus was not punishment-oriented: To the question ‘What would be the reward if one renounces something in the interest of God,’ Jesus said: Such ones “will get a hundred times as much at the renewal of all things and will inherit eternal life. But many who are first will be last, and many who are last will be first.” (Mathew 19:27-30)

True Christianity is what Jesus taught. What Paul taught was the fulfillment of what Jesus foretold in Mathew 13:24-30)

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New World Translation is not much different other translations

by Abraham1 in

key scripture 2 timothy 3:16 should have been translated as “every scripture inspired of god is also profitable for teaching” like many other serious translations (such as american standard version ; douay-rheims bible etc) as it is what the greek text says.. this is in harmony with the contents of bible and also with the writer paul himself who knew after his departure ‘even from his own number men will arise and distort the truth.’ (acts 20:29-30) for example, verses such as romans 7:19 is such distortion.

such verses cannot originate from real paul who was “holy, righteous and blameless.” (1 thessalonians 2:10) hence paul had the freeness of speech to tell others to be “blameless” like him (1 thessalonians 5:19-23; ephesians 5:24) there are many things in the scriptures which are not inspired such as words of satan, words of job’s wife and his false friends, words of judas, lot’s daughters …etc.

apostle peter never disowned jesus because if he had done so, his contemporaries would have interrupted him when he rebuked jews, saying: “you disowned the holy and righteous one and asked that a murderer be released to you.“ (acts 3:14) his listeners would have asked him “what right do you have to reprove us for ‘disowning jesus” when you yourself have done it first?” all such verses or accounts were later adoptions.

Abraham1

I already told you--subject of woman was just one example out of many contradictions. Hence you should not have brought it again as I told you "if you don't like this one , take other examples of contradictions such as "works vs grace."

Since you brought it, I will point out your misunderstanding about it.

Luke 6:13 says “And when it was day, he called unto him his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles.” The word used for apostle is ἀποστόλους (apostolous) which only means “delegate.” It was mistakenly thought to be a position of authority by others which is not the fault of Jesus. Jesus meant them to excel in unselfish service with no expectation. (Luke 22:24-26)

Interestingly, apostles were all married and they were all accompanying them in ministry. (1 Corinthians 9:5) Luke 10:1 says: “After this the Lord appointed seventy-two[a] others and sent them two by two ahead of him to every town and place where he was about to go.” When this is read with 1 Corinthians 9:5 it would mean Jesus sent them as couple, husband and wife, as equal partners, as God originally meant them to be. (Genesis 5:1; Mathew 19:4-6)

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New World Translation is not much different other translations

by Abraham1 in

key scripture 2 timothy 3:16 should have been translated as “every scripture inspired of god is also profitable for teaching” like many other serious translations (such as american standard version ; douay-rheims bible etc) as it is what the greek text says.. this is in harmony with the contents of bible and also with the writer paul himself who knew after his departure ‘even from his own number men will arise and distort the truth.’ (acts 20:29-30) for example, verses such as romans 7:19 is such distortion.

such verses cannot originate from real paul who was “holy, righteous and blameless.” (1 thessalonians 2:10) hence paul had the freeness of speech to tell others to be “blameless” like him (1 thessalonians 5:19-23; ephesians 5:24) there are many things in the scriptures which are not inspired such as words of satan, words of job’s wife and his false friends, words of judas, lot’s daughters …etc.

apostle peter never disowned jesus because if he had done so, his contemporaries would have interrupted him when he rebuked jews, saying: “you disowned the holy and righteous one and asked that a murderer be released to you.“ (acts 3:14) his listeners would have asked him “what right do you have to reprove us for ‘disowning jesus” when you yourself have done it first?” all such verses or accounts were later adoptions.

Abraham1

Woman is not my subject. I was only answering to your question whether I believe in Bible or not, and I answered.

In connection with how Paul contradicted Jesus, I pointed one example. If you don't like this, you can take another example such as grace Paul highlighted in contrast to works Jesus highlighted.