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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

Formerbrother

punkofnice6 minutes ago

yes back in the 19th century and very early in the 20 century the JW org was not worldwide and they certainly needed some adjustments, these have been corrected.

Would you afford this privilege of allowing 'adjustments' to other religions? EG, the catholic church and the comfy chair...er I mean the spanish inquisition..as an example? If not, why not?

The only modern source you quoted was that 1970's WT

But if the watchtower is gods mouthpiece as they claim, it doesn't matter what year quotes are from. The fact that adjustments are needed proves that god isn't in the mix. It would have been far easier for god to get it right first time.

Who else is united all around the world like JW's?

Uniformity isn't unity. There is a lot of pretense in the watchtower corporation that is face value only.

Who else is united? You really haven't looked, have you!

One question I'd ask is, Why does watchtower corporation hide paedophiles and not report tham to the proper authorities?

Have another go, mate. Dare to scratch below the surface. That's what I did as an elder and the results horrified me. I realised quickly that the watchtower corporation was just a big business using the cover of religion to scam money out of people.

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So in the late 1800's Br Russell had to get everything spot on accurate and understand the entire bible straight away?

Yes ofcourse we should afford this privilege of allowing 'adjustments' to other religions. What if Muslims said they wouldnt actually get 70 virgins in paradise when they blew themselves up in a suicide attack ! Everybody should be pleased?

About the love among themselves, yes JWs do actually have love amung themselves all around the world in every tribe and nation. As we said before the Mormans are the only other org who come close but no where near as close.

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

Formerbrother

"Who else is united all around the world like JW'S?" - Formerbrother
Mormons make the same claim...................
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Yes I think Mormons come the closest. They are the only ones who are coming close to following Jesus command to preach to all the nations.
But despite those pictures you dont get many non white mormans, certainly not 7 million active publishers like JW, and they do two years 'pioneering' then once saved always saved no matter what you do. After two years of preaching you are just getting some experience and then you never do it again, you get some other youngster to start his two years.
The mormons dont come anywhere near to being in all the inhabited earth like the witnesses, even in North Korea the Witnesses send some over from China, all top secret of course. Even in the Middle east Jehovahs people are preaching knowingly they risk having their head chopped off, a muslim becoming a JW is worse than one of the other christian denominations in chritendom. So the JW org is the only one who has love in all the inhabited earth.

But yes the Mormans do come closer than any other org except they have their own book of morman instead of the Bible.

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Give us more faith WT

by Formerbrother in

what a picture in this sundays wter.

the go bag is there and they have to turn all the lights out and have their meeting in secret.. .

in our congregation we are really being pushed hard to get your go bags in order for every member of the congregation, with at least 3-5 days food and water.. .

Formerbrother

The WTBTS isnt "no part of the world." Research "Rand Cam" for a fun trip down the rabbit hole!

I'm sure that's just the tip of the ice-berg. The WTBTS is so entangled in the "World", that it cannot get free. They were busted for associating with the United Nations ( The disgusting thing that causes desolation! Their beliefs and words...) and lied about it. Now they are members of the OSCE, the "Primary partner of the UN", according to the OSCE.

The cancer of corruption is so deeply rooted that the ORG cannot get rid of it. They can only manage it, for now.

DD

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Im sorry but to me this is just the sort of vague nonsense bitter ex JWs spurt.

If you have any evidence please post it, but please do it in a calm clear way.

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

Formerbrother

punkofnice So about the true followers would have love among themselves, yes back in the 19th century and very early in the 20 century the JW org was not worldwide and they certainly needed some adjustments, these have been corrected.

The only modern source you quoted was that 1970's WT which I think gave very good advice .....

"Persons of different races may have very similar backgrounds, culturally, socially and as to education. Or their backgrounds may be very different. Sometimes the varied habits, attitudes and customs that go with different backgrounds seem to add interest to the marriage union. Yet widely differing backgrounds, even among marriage mates of the same race, can and sometimes do give rise to problems, making marital adjustment more difficult. In making his decision, the Christian should also rightly weigh these factors—for the other person’s happiness as well as his own. "

Basically race or skin colour does not come into it, its more about your compatibility. Two people could be different skin colour but very compatible, and some people of the exact same race are just not compatible.

The advice is " rightly weigh these factors" before considering marriage.

Im am still not convinced that JW org is NOT the only organisation who has love amungst themselves all around the world every tribe and nation.

Who else is united all around the world like JW's?

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

Formerbrother

Former brother "What is the JW alternative?"

Well, why not go to the source? The Catholic church gave the world the bible. The Catholic church gave the world the name Jehovah. The Catholic church gave the world schools, hospitals, orphanages, food banks, homeless shelters, old age homes and has shown all people how to love more than just love amongst themselves.

These are all real and true fruits. Name a JW fruit if there is such a thing please.

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Seriously, you are saying the Vatican and the Pope are nearer to the truth than Jw org?

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Changes and why

by Formerbrother in

so far these are all the recent changes i know of, please add more if i have missed anything.. 1. all construction projects have either been stopped or reduced.. 2. all bethels are downsizing by at least 20% within one year of the announcement, and almost certainly more in years to come.. 3. remaining belelites will have to make their own food, do their own washing and cleaning.. no more laundry department, no more kitchen and waiters, no more housekeeping!.

and you still only get 80 per month, but no rent or bills, and food will be provided in the family fridge but you have to prepare it yourself.. as to why, it has been said several times officially its not because of a lack of funds, but how could that possibly be the truth?.

Formerbrother

Per Tony Morris in his U.S. Zone meeting talk, addressing over 1.1 million JW's:

Sister's were warned that a male (brother), age 23 or older. Not currently serving as an MS or Elder. Would NOT make a suitable marriage mate.

So, any brother's over the age of 23 and not a servant, would now be viewed in the congregation in a negative light. Even if he is a nice humble brother, unless he is serving, he is a nothing to the org.

Since this talk, there has been no changes made to Tony's comment. It has become a new policy. This was done to use guilt and peer pressure to get more brother's to reach out!

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Any evidence of this?

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

Formerbrother

To answer my original question what is the alternative, it seems that if you boil it down there are only 2.

1 Evolution, the Bible is just another book written by men.

2. There is a creator, and the Bible is his word, but JWs are not the closest, sombody else is the closet to to the truth.

Or is there a 3rd option?

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

Formerbrother

What love have you experienced so deeply from them? If you have experienced this unprecedented love, why are you here? I have experienced individual love from them. But as a whole, I have seen that the more intimate JWs get with each other, the more they start to eat each other. All that condescending judgement, pious facade and conditional love really ate at me to the point where there was no alternative other than to puke them out of my life. You can only be a brainless yes-man in that organization for so long, but go ahead and give it a try! Maybe you are the personality type that just loves to lap all that stuff up! Hopefully not.

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When you travel around the world and visit other congregations you soon see this is the only organisation that has love amongst themselves.

No other org has love between balcks and whites, asian, indian whatever, all around the world in all the nations.

If there is another org who does please say it here, maybe I missed one.

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

Formerbrother

No, actually we don't. Why force a translation of a name that even Jesus never used? If it was so important to make a modern, hybrid version of the tetragrammaton why didn't Jesus do so in his day? Where is the written record of him using the divine name? Why not just call god "father" or "Lord"? Truth shouldn't have to be forced or manipulated or modernized to fit the agendas of men. If god does indeed exist, then he/she/it knows who he/she/it is no matter what name/title you choose to call he/she/it.

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Interesting, Inever thought of that. Is it true that Jesus never used the divine name?

Well thinking about it I never really use my fathers name, I always refer to him with titles because he is my Dad.

If somebody calls their father by his name then they are not that close to him, more like estranged children call their dad by their name.

Edit: What a load of rubbish, Jesus did use the divine name man many times. for example he said it is Jehovah your God you must worship and him alone,

This is just another example of bitter people making things up.

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Give us more faith WT

by Formerbrother in

what a picture in this sundays wter.

the go bag is there and they have to turn all the lights out and have their meeting in secret.. .

in our congregation we are really being pushed hard to get your go bags in order for every member of the congregation, with at least 3-5 days food and water.. .

Formerbrother

This must be a depiction of what happens when the WTBTS is revealed as a corrupt, real estate selling, market speculating, hedge-fund using, weapons manufacturing co. investing, OSCE associating, Neo-Zionist Communist, pedophile protecting cult.

DD

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Weapon manufacturing?