Posts by Formerbrother

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

Formerbrother

thanks for replies.

My conclusions are that JW are the nearest to the truth from the Bible, they are the only ones to use the divine name.

But they are imperfect humans and mistakes are made.

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so far these are all the recent changes i know of, please add more if i have missed anything.. 1. all construction projects have either been stopped or reduced.. 2. all bethels are downsizing by at least 20% within one year of the announcement, and almost certainly more in years to come.. 3. remaining belelites will have to make their own food, do their own washing and cleaning.. no more laundry department, no more kitchen and waiters, no more housekeeping!.

and you still only get 80 per month, but no rent or bills, and food will be provided in the family fridge but you have to prepare it yourself.. as to why, it has been said several times officially its not because of a lack of funds, but how could that possibly be the truth?.

Formerbrother

So far these are all the recent changes I know of, please add more if I have missed anything.

1. All construction projects have either been stopped or reduced.

2. All Bethels are downsizing by at least 20% within one year of the announcement, and almost certainly more in years to come.

3. Remaining Belelites will have to make their own food, do their own washing and cleaning.

No more laundry department, no more kitchen and waiters, no more housekeeping!

And you still only get £80 per month, but no rent or bills, and food will be provided in the family fridge but you have to prepare it yourself.

As to why, it has been said several times officially its not because of a lack of funds, but how could that possibly be the truth?

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

Formerbrother

I mean this with all due respect, I would like to hear from genuine people who think JW have it wrong and then what is the truth?

Im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.

Is Jehovah real? The the Bible is word? If not whats the alternative? I cant see how any thinking person can believe evolution.

so assuming that there is a creator and he wrote the Bible, where have JWs gone wrong?

Is it possible that they are nearest to the truth than any other religions? But yes there are mistakes made.

In my mind I still think JW are closest to the truth that any other religion, but there have been mistakes made and most certainly there are still some.

For my part Im still going to meetings, some say Im sitting on the fence so Im actually out, fair enough, at least Im thinking for myself.

I will be very interested to hear logical reasonable thoughts on this from anybody. But please do post childish not well thought out arguments...

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How did Matthew Use the Word "Generation"?

by BluesBrother in

another "generation" thread....i know!

when splane wanted a scripture that demonstrated the bible's use of the word he went all the way back to moses and used ex.

1.6. he could have stayed in the same book and used matthew chapter 1,written by the same hand.

Formerbrother

I once asked someone years ago what if the end still hasnt come when the generation from 1914 have all passed away? They said the society will probably change it again.

So realistically this new understanding of overlapping generations, what is the longest time frame until they have to have another new understanding?

That brother would lived up to the 1990's from 1914, if somebody was anointed before he died so early 1990's then its their generation that will by no means pass away?

Some of the youngest members of the GB are now in their 50's, (but they are all obese) so they could easily live for another 30 something years?

What on earth will happen if they do die in the next few decades? There are not that many genuine anointed ones left, I mean its pretty obvious that someone not in their later life who claims to be anointed is not going to be? I dont think there are that many genuine anointed ones left who havent had their sealing moment?

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Can the special pioneers, bethelites, and many other "servants", who are getting their benefits stripped, SUE THE WTBS?

by Dunedain in

i know in america, corporations, and businesses, are many times obligated to atleast continue certain medical benefits for an extended period of time, like a year or two, even after they are "let go".

i wonder how many older, special pioneers, missionarys, bethelites, and such, have pre-existing medical conditions, and need to have to continue their benefits for care?.

the wts, can send a letter saying " sorry your shits gone in 3 months", but is this really legal?

Formerbrother

When I was in Bethel we all had to sign a disclaimer that means you can never sue the branch forever.

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Despite a 'number' of similar projects being pulled, the Chelmsford Project will continue...

by NeverKnew in

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friends

this article suggests that there are projects being halted, but chelmsford isn't one of them.

can someone from the uk tell me if this article was written by a reputable and known publisher?

plans for huge jehovah's witnesses hq continues.

Formerbrother

The Chronicle exclusively revealed in January 2014 how the IBSA is relocating the headquarters from Mill Hill in north London and build a printing plant producing up to 184,000 religious magazines an hour, accommodation for up to 1,200 Witnesses, parking for 1,040 vehicles and a hospital and playing fields."

With the downsizing going on elsewhere in the World, I wonder if in the end they will actually have 1,200 JW's on Site, and if they will need that printing capacity.

We shall have to see if these projected figures become reality, somehow I doubt it.

But I bet the guys in the Control Room at Cult Headquarters are licking their lips at the prospect of selling off all the holdings in the Mill hill area.

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Its now going to be more like accomodation for a few hundred at most.

All Bethelites have to make their own food, do their own washing and cleaning.

No more laundry department, no more kitchen and waiters, no more housekeeping!

And you still only get £80 per month, who on earth wants to go to Bethel and after years of faithful service get kicked out on the street with no money and no hope.

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The real reason Chelmsford hasn't been stopped

by Saltheart Foamfollower in

i haven't seen this mentioned yet.

last year in the uk, shortly after the money grab that everyone had, we had a video and letter (both probably still available from atlantis) appealing for money for the new bethel and slips were handed out etc.

this means that most uk congregations are sending a regular donation specifically for the chelmsford build.

Formerbrother

There have been a few had to leave for broke back mountain situations going on.

The Chronicle exclusively revealed in January 2014 how the IBSA is relocating the headquarters from Mill Hill in north London and build a printing plant producing up to 184,000 religious magazines an hour, accommodation for up to 1,200 Witnesses, parking for 1,040 vehicles and a hospital and playing fields."

With the downsizing going on elsewhere in the World, I wonder if in the end they will actually have 1,200 JW's on Site, and if they will need that printing capacity.

We shall have to see if these projected figures become reality, somehow I doubt it.

But I bet the guys in the Control Room at Cult Headquarters are licking their lips at the prospect of selling off all the holdings in the Mill hill area.

Its now going to be more like accomodation for a few hundred at most.

All Bethelites have to make their own food, do their own washing and cleaning.

No more laundry department, no more kitchen and waiters, no more housekeeping!

UK Bethel will save millions by kicking all the houskeepers out and their husbands.

And you still only get £80 per month, who on earth wants to go to Bethel and after years of faithful service get kicked out on the street with no money and no hope.

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jw deny rumours moving UK HQ to Chelmsford project has collaspe

by Aleph in

http://www.essexchronicle.co.uk/jehovah-s-witnesses-deny-rumours-uk-headquarters/story-27899763-detail/story.html.

t. .

Formerbrother

The Chronicle exclusively revealed in January 2014 how the IBSA is relocating the headquarters from Mill Hill in north London and build a printing plant producing up to 184,000 religious magazines an hour, accommodation for up to 1,200 Witnesses, parking for 1,040 vehicles and a hospital and playing fields."

With the downsizing going on elsewhere in the World, I wonder if in the end they will actually have 1,200 JW's on Site, and if they will need that printing capacity.

We shall have to see if these projected figures become reality, somehow I doubt it.

But I bet the guys in the Control Room at Cult Headquarters are licking their lips at the prospect of selling off all the holdings in the Mill hill area.

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Its now going to be more like accomodation for a few hundred at most.

All Bethelites have to make their own food, do their own washing and cleaning.

No more laundry department, no more kitchen and waiters, no more housekeeping!

And you still only get £80 per month, who on earth wants to go to Bethel and after years of faithful service get kicked out on the street with no money and no hope.

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The real reason Chelmsford hasn't been stopped

by Saltheart Foamfollower in

i haven't seen this mentioned yet.

last year in the uk, shortly after the money grab that everyone had, we had a video and letter (both probably still available from atlantis) appealing for money for the new bethel and slips were handed out etc.

this means that most uk congregations are sending a regular donation specifically for the chelmsford build.

Formerbrother

First there is the largest cull ever since the org began.

So when all the bethelites have been kicked out they will sell loads of prime property in London even before they move to chelmsford.

Its about 6 years away so they say when the branch will move and sell the remaining properties.

But they are putting brothers three to a room, so they can sell as many properties as possible.

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Elder's letter requesting details of solicitors, barristers and accountants

by jwfacts in

there was a letter sent to elders in australia on 18th november 2015 asking for details of publishers that are solicitors, barristers and accountants.

what would be their motive for these details?

the rest of the letter outlines 8 specific pieces of information to compile and send to bethel's legal department, and reiterates to collect the information only be "as you understand, without consulting the publisher.

Formerbrother

Could the entire letter be posted to see if it is genuine?