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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

Formerbrother

I don't think you read the watchtower's own quotes I left you, did you!

I tried to, something went wrong, you should double check them. That one in Sep 2012 is all about how God loves women.

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

Finkelstein

I guess one has to evaluate where light is coming from when its obvious false corrupt light ?

Jesus also said that in the end times Satan will decisive for he knows he has little time left.

Perhaps the guiding light of Jesus's adversary Satan the Devil ???

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I agree with you when you say, yes you have to evaluate where the light is coming from. I am sincerely doing this with an open mind.

Yes Satan is trying to deceive, do you really think Satan is at the top of the JW org? Ive not heard that one before.

If so why would he want so many people preaching about loving Jehovah and hating Satan himself all around the world in such big numbers?

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

Formerbrother

Former Brother wrote "Seriously, you are saying the Vatican and the Pope are nearer to the truth than Jw org?"

Yes I am. How could I say such a thing? Look at the fruits. I gave you real examples of fruits that the Church that Jesus started has given the world. You on the other hand have not named 1 JW fruit. Everyone knows that the bible is a catholic book. How could the watchtower [or anyone else] be a better authority on it? Name a JW fruit or truth that would convince anyone?

just asking an apologist

Usually I will would reply to be polite. But I dont think its worth it in this case.

You go on thinking what you like of the pope and the vatican and the million tons of gold they have taken from the people over the millenniums, I will go on thinking what I think.

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

Formerbrother

Im trying to find this quote you posted...

-- w12 9/15 p. 22 par. 16 Learn From the Patience of Jehovah and Jesus
Well, a person who lacks confidence that the end is near might start to make alternate arrangements, so to speak, in case things do not work out as Jehovah said they would.

P22 par 16 doesnt say anything like that its all about women.

http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/wp20120901/

Did you just make that up? And the others? Yes just checked a few, they all seem to be bogus.

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

Formerbrother

Sure. why not? If god communicates, why is god so useless at communicating given that he's so magical? The watchtower has also claimed to be god's mouthpiece, a claim they should never make if they are just imperfect men?

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Your being childish. Think about it, the light was prophesied to get brighter and brighter in the time of the end.

They only ever claim to be imperfect men, I only claim to be an imperfect man. Do you claim to be perfect?

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

Formerbrother

punkofnice6 minutes ago

yes back in the 19th century and very early in the 20 century the JW org was not worldwide and they certainly needed some adjustments, these have been corrected.

Would you afford this privilege of allowing 'adjustments' to other religions? EG, the catholic church and the comfy chair...er I mean the spanish inquisition..as an example? If not, why not?

The only modern source you quoted was that 1970's WT

But if the watchtower is gods mouthpiece as they claim, it doesn't matter what year quotes are from. The fact that adjustments are needed proves that god isn't in the mix. It would have been far easier for god to get it right first time.

Who else is united all around the world like JW's?

Uniformity isn't unity. There is a lot of pretense in the watchtower corporation that is face value only.

Who else is united? You really haven't looked, have you!

One question I'd ask is, Why does watchtower corporation hide paedophiles and not report tham to the proper authorities?

Have another go, mate. Dare to scratch below the surface. That's what I did as an elder and the results horrified me. I realised quickly that the watchtower corporation was just a big business using the cover of religion to scam money out of people.

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So in the late 1800's Br Russell had to get everything spot on accurate and understand the entire bible straight away?

Yes ofcourse we should afford this privilege of allowing 'adjustments' to other religions. What if Muslims said they wouldnt actually get 70 virgins in paradise when they blew themselves up in a suicide attack ! Everybody should be pleased?

About the love among themselves, yes JWs do actually have love amung themselves all around the world in every tribe and nation. As we said before the Mormans are the only other org who come close but no where near as close.

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

Formerbrother

"Who else is united all around the world like JW'S?" - Formerbrother
Mormons make the same claim...................
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Yes I think Mormons come the closest. They are the only ones who are coming close to following Jesus command to preach to all the nations.
But despite those pictures you dont get many non white mormans, certainly not 7 million active publishers like JW, and they do two years 'pioneering' then once saved always saved no matter what you do. After two years of preaching you are just getting some experience and then you never do it again, you get some other youngster to start his two years.
The mormons dont come anywhere near to being in all the inhabited earth like the witnesses, even in North Korea the Witnesses send some over from China, all top secret of course. Even in the Middle east Jehovahs people are preaching knowingly they risk having their head chopped off, a muslim becoming a JW is worse than one of the other christian denominations in chritendom. So the JW org is the only one who has love in all the inhabited earth.

But yes the Mormans do come closer than any other org except they have their own book of morman instead of the Bible.

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Give us more faith WT

by Formerbrother in

what a picture in this sundays wter.

the go bag is there and they have to turn all the lights out and have their meeting in secret.. .

in our congregation we are really being pushed hard to get your go bags in order for every member of the congregation, with at least 3-5 days food and water.. .

Formerbrother

The WTBTS isnt "no part of the world." Research "Rand Cam" for a fun trip down the rabbit hole!

I'm sure that's just the tip of the ice-berg. The WTBTS is so entangled in the "World", that it cannot get free. They were busted for associating with the United Nations ( The disgusting thing that causes desolation! Their beliefs and words...) and lied about it. Now they are members of the OSCE, the "Primary partner of the UN", according to the OSCE.

The cancer of corruption is so deeply rooted that the ORG cannot get rid of it. They can only manage it, for now.

DD

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Im sorry but to me this is just the sort of vague nonsense bitter ex JWs spurt.

If you have any evidence please post it, but please do it in a calm clear way.

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

Formerbrother

punkofnice So about the true followers would have love among themselves, yes back in the 19th century and very early in the 20 century the JW org was not worldwide and they certainly needed some adjustments, these have been corrected.

The only modern source you quoted was that 1970's WT which I think gave very good advice .....

"Persons of different races may have very similar backgrounds, culturally, socially and as to education. Or their backgrounds may be very different. Sometimes the varied habits, attitudes and customs that go with different backgrounds seem to add interest to the marriage union. Yet widely differing backgrounds, even among marriage mates of the same race, can and sometimes do give rise to problems, making marital adjustment more difficult. In making his decision, the Christian should also rightly weigh these factors—for the other person’s happiness as well as his own. "

Basically race or skin colour does not come into it, its more about your compatibility. Two people could be different skin colour but very compatible, and some people of the exact same race are just not compatible.

The advice is " rightly weigh these factors" before considering marriage.

Im am still not convinced that JW org is NOT the only organisation who has love amungst themselves all around the world every tribe and nation.

Who else is united all around the world like JW's?

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

Formerbrother

Former brother "What is the JW alternative?"

Well, why not go to the source? The Catholic church gave the world the bible. The Catholic church gave the world the name Jehovah. The Catholic church gave the world schools, hospitals, orphanages, food banks, homeless shelters, old age homes and has shown all people how to love more than just love amongst themselves.

These are all real and true fruits. Name a JW fruit if there is such a thing please.

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Seriously, you are saying the Vatican and the Pope are nearer to the truth than Jw org?