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  What is the alternative to JW?

  by Formerbrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

  im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

  the the bible is word?

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  Formerbrother

  It doesn't matter if Catholics, Anglicans, Mormons or JWs have printed or translated more bibles than anyone else. Most so called Christians believe that they will go to heaven... some believe they will live on earth forever. Both require belief in a God that created humans to suffer and die.

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  This is an easy one that any ex JW could answer. Its all about the issue of universal sovereignty who has got the right to rule.

  The rebellion in Eden was a challenge for independent rule from God.

  Jehovah could have just wiped everybody out and started again, or give them time to prove independent rule from him will not work.
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  What is the alternative to JW?

  by Formerbrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

  im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

  the the bible is word?

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  Formerbrother

  No one can believe the entire bible because it clearly contradicts itself in many cases. The God from the Old Testament doesn't resemble the God that Jesus portrayed in the gospels at all. Even though JWs say that they believe the entire bible they use clever mental acrobatics and speculation to gloss over the contradictions.

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  Sounds like an excuse to me, I still say either believe all the Bible or non of it.

  At least the JWs are the only ones who believe all of it.

  Others say they do, but when it comes to men laying with men, or the blood issue, then that is what sorts the true religion from the false.
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  475

  What is the alternative to JW?

  by Formerbrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

  im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

  the the bible is word?

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  Formerbrother

  Why are they bothering if armageddon(tm) is so close?

  
  

  I expect when the end comes, the organisation will be in the middle of a large project somewhere.

  The latest watchtowers all say live in expectation of it at all times, but just like the organisation have plans plans for the future.

  This is why they are really pushing young people to go and get trained in useful skills.

  There is a misconception that JWs dont like education or further education. This is simply not true.

  The truth is JWs are very much pro education, they just think nowadays university is a waste of 4 or so years, its a missalocation of time.

  Now all young people leaving school are encouraged to get real skills, something useful. But to keep a simple life.

  We are told to have real skills, real friends, and real assets. Im thankful JWs are now staying away from all stock markets, they are all looking top heavy.

  Many Jws are stacking gold and silver, especially silver bullion because it is so very cheap right now at $13oz.
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  Despite a 'number' of similar projects being pulled, the Chelmsford Project will continue...

  by NeverKnew in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this article suggests that there are projects being halted, but chelmsford isn't one of them.

  can someone from the uk tell me if this article was written by a reputable and known publisher?

  plans for huge jehovah's witnesses hq continues.

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  Formerbrother

  Why are they bothering if armageddon(tm) is so close?

  
  

  I expect when the end comes, the organisation will be in the middle of a large project somewhere.

  The latest watchtowers all say live in expectation of it at all times, but just like the organisation have plans plans for the future.

  This is why they are really pushing young people to go and get trained in useful skills.

  There is a misconception that JWs dont like education or further education. This is simply not true.

  The truth is JWs are very much pro education, they just think nowadays university is a waste of 4 or so years, its a missalocation of time.

  Now all young people leaving school are encouraged to get real skills, something useful. But to keep a simple life.

  We are told to have real skills, real friends, and real assets. Im thankful JWs are now staying away from all stock markets, they are all looking top heavy.

  Many Jws are stacking gold and silver, especially silver bullion because it is so very cheap right now at $13oz.
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  jw deny rumours moving UK HQ to Chelmsford project has collaspe

  by Aleph in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  http://www.essexchronicle.co.uk/jehovah-s-witnesses-deny-rumours-uk-headquarters/story-27899763-detail/story.html.

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  Formerbrother

  Why are they bothering if armageddon(tm) is so close?

  
  

  I expect when the end comes, the organisation will be in the middle of a large project somewhere.

  The latest watchtowers all say live in expectation of it at all times, but just like the organisation have plans plans for the future.

  This is why they are really pushing young people to go and get trained in useful skills.

  There is a misconception that JWs dont like education or further education. This is simply not true.

  The truth is JWs are very much pro education, they just think nowadays university is a waste of 4 or so years, its a missalocation of time.

  Now all young people leaving school are encouraged to get real skills, something useful. But to keep a simple life.

  We are told to have real skills, real friends, and real assets. Im thankful JWs are now staying away from all stock markets, they are all looking top heavy.

  Many Jws are stacking gold and silver, especially silver bullion because it is so very cheap right now at $13oz.
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  The real reason Chelmsford hasn't been stopped

  by Saltheart Foamfollower in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i haven't seen this mentioned yet.

  last year in the uk, shortly after the money grab that everyone had, we had a video and letter (both probably still available from atlantis) appealing for money for the new bethel and slips were handed out etc.

  this means that most uk congregations are sending a regular donation specifically for the chelmsford build.

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  Formerbrother

  Why are they bothering if armageddon(tm) is so close?

  
  

  I expect when the end comes, the organisation will be in the middle of a large project somewhere.

  The latest watchtowers all say live in expectation of it at all times, but just like the organisation have plans plans for the future.

  This is why they are really pushing young people to go and get trained in useful skills.

  There is a misconception that JWs dont like education or further education. This is simply not true.

  The truth is JWs are very much pro education, they just think nowadays university is a waste of 4 or so years, its a missalocation of time.

  Now all young people leaving school are encouraged to get real skills, something useful. But to keep a simple life.

  We are told to have real skills, real friends, and real assets. Im thankful JWs are now staying away from all stock markets, they are all looking top heavy.

  Many Jws are stacking gold and silver, especially silver bullion because it is so very cheap right now at $13oz.
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  Plans for huge Jehovah's HQ take shape

  by Formerbrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://www.chelmsfordweeklynews.co.uk/news/11227290.plans_for_huge_jehovah_s_hq_take_shape/.

  its going to be a real beautiful place when its finished.. they are going for quality over quantity.

  it used to be accommodation for a few thousand permanent residents, now its looking like less than a thousand permanent with the possibility of a few thousand more in temporary accommodation should the need arise.. some say the plans are going to be like a garden of eden in england :) i mean they had farming in london over the years but this is going to be epic what they are planning for temple farm at chelmsford.. they are planting thousands (literally) of fruit trees, including tropical fruits in huge green houses, huge vines yards and then the same basic farming activities as before.

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  Formerbrother

  Why are they bothering if armageddon(tm) is so close?

  
  

  I expect when the end comes, the organisation will be in the middle of a large project somewhere.

  The latest watchtowers all say live in expectation of it at all times, but just like the organisation have plans plans for the future.

  This is why they are really pushing young people to go and get trained in useful skills.

  There is a misconception that JWs dont like education or further education. This is simply not true.

  The truth is JWs are very much pro education, they just think nowadays university is a waste of 4 or so years, its a missalocation of time.

  Now all young people leaving school are encouraged to get real skills, something useful. But to keep a simple life.

  We are told to have real skills, real friends, and real assets. Im thankful JWs are now staying away from all stock markets, they are all looking top heavy.

  Many Jws are stacking gold and silver, especially silver bullion because it is so very cheap right now at $13oz.
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  Plans for huge Jehovah's HQ take shape

  by Formerbrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://www.chelmsfordweeklynews.co.uk/news/11227290.plans_for_huge_jehovah_s_hq_take_shape/.

  its going to be a real beautiful place when its finished.. they are going for quality over quantity.

  it used to be accommodation for a few thousand permanent residents, now its looking like less than a thousand permanent with the possibility of a few thousand more in temporary accommodation should the need arise.. some say the plans are going to be like a garden of eden in england :) i mean they had farming in london over the years but this is going to be epic what they are planning for temple farm at chelmsford.. they are planting thousands (literally) of fruit trees, including tropical fruits in huge green houses, huge vines yards and then the same basic farming activities as before.

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  Formerbrother

  Safety reasons? Yes very convenient !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  Most volunteers had to leave as they are not ready to proceed with any significant building works. The design team are working on changing plans so they don't build what they no longer need. As pointed out in another post removing the contaminated soil involves earthworks. Even if they are building something in the ground I wouldn't get too excited. It will not be a secret underground bunker.

  I've not had the first hand conversation re what security volunteers can/can't do but the fuel, oil, battery fluids and other chemical contamination is not something you want to come into contact with. The control mentality is so strong inside the org that they everything has to have rules and a hierarchy associated with it.

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  Yes its the perfect excuse, "dont come close this earth we have to move is contaminated"

  I dont know if its a bunker, but something large and top secret is being built underground.

  Why all the secrecy and why is nobody allowed anywhere near the undergound project?
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  The real reason Chelmsford hasn't been stopped

  by Saltheart Foamfollower in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i haven't seen this mentioned yet.

  last year in the uk, shortly after the money grab that everyone had, we had a video and letter (both probably still available from atlantis) appealing for money for the new bethel and slips were handed out etc.

  this means that most uk congregations are sending a regular donation specifically for the chelmsford build.

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  Formerbrother

  Most volunteers had to leave as they are not ready to proceed with any significant building works. The design team are working on changing plans so they don't build what they no longer need. As pointed out in another post removing the contaminated soil involves earthworks. Even if they are building something in the ground I wouldn't get too excited. It will not be a secret underground bunker.

  I've not had the first hand conversation re what security volunteers can/can't do but the fuel, oil, battery fluids and other chemical contamination is not something you want to come into contact with. The control mentality is so strong inside the org that they everything has to have rules and a hierarchy associated with it.

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  Yes its the perfect excuse, "dont come close this earth we have to move is contaminated"

  I dont know if its a bunker, but something large and top secret is being built underground.

  Why all the secrecy and why is nobody allowed anywhere near the undergound project?
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  jw deny rumours moving UK HQ to Chelmsford project has collaspe

  by Aleph in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  http://www.essexchronicle.co.uk/jehovah-s-witnesses-deny-rumours-uk-headquarters/story-27899763-detail/story.html.

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  Formerbrother

  Most volunteers had to leave as they are not ready to proceed with any significant building works. The design team are working on changing plans so they don't build what they no longer need. As pointed out in another post removing the contaminated soil involves earthworks. Even if they are building something in the ground I wouldn't get too excited. It will not be a secret underground bunker.

  I've not had the first hand conversation re what security volunteers can/can't do but the fuel, oil, battery fluids and other chemical contamination is not something you want to come into contact with. The control mentality is so strong inside the org that they everything has to have rules and a hierarchy associated with it.

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  Yes its the perfect excuse, "dont come close this earth we have to move is contaminated"

  I dont know if its a bunker, but something large and top secret is being built underground.

  Why all the secrecy and why is nobody allowed anywhere near the undergound project?