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  jw deny rumours moving UK HQ to Chelmsford project has collaspe

  by Aleph in

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  http://www.essexchronicle.co.uk/jehovah-s-witnesses-deny-rumours-uk-headquarters/story-27899763-detail/story.html.

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  Formerbrother

  What a bizarre argument.

  If their were no engineers, architects, doctors, etc. who "wasted their time" getting their degrees, where exactly would all those "really skilled" forklift drivers and drywall installers be working?

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  No this is exactly what young JWs are encouraged to go for, yes real skills. All those examples you said. engineers, architects, doctors,

  
  

  But dont waste time in university learning how to make computer games or some such nonsense.

  
  

  One of the GBody members said the other day, there is no need for IT people in the new world, but real skills are where its at.
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  What is the alternative to JW?

  by Formerbrother in

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  2. beliefs

  i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

  im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

  the the bible is word?

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  Formerbrother

  Formerbrother, I read a lot of the thread but not all, it's really long. I never saw anyone discuss the post Sparky1 made on page 11 about the Seventh Day Adventists. They really do get the word out there. Do they go door to door, I don't think so, but I also don't believe the bible limits preaching to only a single method as I'm sure you know the witnesses agree with. Witnesses use multiple methods to reach what they consider right hearted ones.

  I'm glad you're here and hope you keep posting. I researched for a looooooong time before I was able to finally realize that what my family had believed for several generations was not what I believed. I remained an active witness during my searching period and it cost me a lot physically and mentally once I realized that I felt the witnesses didn't actually teach what the bible teaches.

  There are some fantastic older threads where this board discusses in great detail blood transfusions, idol meat, door to door witnessing, destruction of Jerusalem in 607, cross versus stake, disfellowshipping....well, you get the point. Dig deep for the spiritual gems.

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  Thank you, I am determined to find fault with the JWs any possible way. I just havent been successful as of yet.

  The seventh day adventists do not come anywhere near to fulfilling all the requirements that Jws do.

  They do not preach to ALL the nations, or if they do its on a tiny scale in comparison to JWs.

  Of all the other things you mentioned, can you be specific in one area and give a clear to the point answer as to who is closer to the truth than Jws and why?

  I know this thread is long, but there has been no answer yet.

  The closest has been the Mormons, they do preach in twos to all the nations. But then they fall short in many other areas.

  There is no way Catholics, Anglicans, or seventh day adventists come closer to the entire Bible than JWs.

  Who else is there that has not yet been debunked already in this thread?
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  What is the alternative to JW?

  by Formerbrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

  im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

  the the bible is word?

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  Formerbrother

  Hi Former Brother , just to let you know that the figures about foreign language Bible translation are on the " What is Truth ? " thread .

  Jan

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  Thanks Jan.

  There is no debate at all about this, NOBODY comes even close to the translation numbers of th JWs presently.

  In the past of course they did, JWs are only around 100 years old.

  But today, its not even close, the translation work of the JWs is like comparing Rolls Royce with Form when comparing JWs to Catholics or Anglicans, or any other religion who translates Bible literature.
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  What is the alternative to JW?

  by Formerbrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

  im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

  the the bible is word?

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  Formerbrother

  It doesn't matter if Catholics, Anglicans, Mormons or JWs have printed or translated more bibles than anyone else. Most so called Christians believe that they will go to heaven... some believe they will live on earth forever. Both require belief in a God that created humans to suffer and die.

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  This is an easy one that any ex JW could answer. Its all about the issue of universal sovereignty who has got the right to rule.

  The rebellion in Eden was a challenge for independent rule from God.

  Jehovah could have just wiped everybody out and started again, or give them time to prove independent rule from him will not work.
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  What is the alternative to JW?

  by Formerbrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

  im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

  the the bible is word?

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  Formerbrother

  No one can believe the entire bible because it clearly contradicts itself in many cases. The God from the Old Testament doesn't resemble the God that Jesus portrayed in the gospels at all. Even though JWs say that they believe the entire bible they use clever mental acrobatics and speculation to gloss over the contradictions.

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  Sounds like an excuse to me, I still say either believe all the Bible or non of it.

  At least the JWs are the only ones who believe all of it.

  Others say they do, but when it comes to men laying with men, or the blood issue, then that is what sorts the true religion from the false.
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  What is the alternative to JW?

  by Formerbrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

  im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

  the the bible is word?

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  Formerbrother

  Why are they bothering if armageddon(tm) is so close?

  
  

  I expect when the end comes, the organisation will be in the middle of a large project somewhere.

  The latest watchtowers all say live in expectation of it at all times, but just like the organisation have plans plans for the future.

  This is why they are really pushing young people to go and get trained in useful skills.

  There is a misconception that JWs dont like education or further education. This is simply not true.

  The truth is JWs are very much pro education, they just think nowadays university is a waste of 4 or so years, its a missalocation of time.

  Now all young people leaving school are encouraged to get real skills, something useful. But to keep a simple life.

  We are told to have real skills, real friends, and real assets. Im thankful JWs are now staying away from all stock markets, they are all looking top heavy.

  Many Jws are stacking gold and silver, especially silver bullion because it is so very cheap right now at $13oz.
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  Despite a 'number' of similar projects being pulled, the Chelmsford Project will continue...

  by NeverKnew in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this article suggests that there are projects being halted, but chelmsford isn't one of them.

  can someone from the uk tell me if this article was written by a reputable and known publisher?

  plans for huge jehovah's witnesses hq continues.

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  Why are they bothering if armageddon(tm) is so close?

  
  

  I expect when the end comes, the organisation will be in the middle of a large project somewhere.

  The latest watchtowers all say live in expectation of it at all times, but just like the organisation have plans plans for the future.

  This is why they are really pushing young people to go and get trained in useful skills.

  There is a misconception that JWs dont like education or further education. This is simply not true.

  The truth is JWs are very much pro education, they just think nowadays university is a waste of 4 or so years, its a missalocation of time.

  Now all young people leaving school are encouraged to get real skills, something useful. But to keep a simple life.

  We are told to have real skills, real friends, and real assets. Im thankful JWs are now staying away from all stock markets, they are all looking top heavy.

  Many Jws are stacking gold and silver, especially silver bullion because it is so very cheap right now at $13oz.
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  jw deny rumours moving UK HQ to Chelmsford project has collaspe

  by Aleph in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  http://www.essexchronicle.co.uk/jehovah-s-witnesses-deny-rumours-uk-headquarters/story-27899763-detail/story.html.

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  Why are they bothering if armageddon(tm) is so close?

  
  

  I expect when the end comes, the organisation will be in the middle of a large project somewhere.

  The latest watchtowers all say live in expectation of it at all times, but just like the organisation have plans plans for the future.

  This is why they are really pushing young people to go and get trained in useful skills.

  There is a misconception that JWs dont like education or further education. This is simply not true.

  The truth is JWs are very much pro education, they just think nowadays university is a waste of 4 or so years, its a missalocation of time.

  Now all young people leaving school are encouraged to get real skills, something useful. But to keep a simple life.

  We are told to have real skills, real friends, and real assets. Im thankful JWs are now staying away from all stock markets, they are all looking top heavy.

  Many Jws are stacking gold and silver, especially silver bullion because it is so very cheap right now at $13oz.
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  The real reason Chelmsford hasn't been stopped

  by Saltheart Foamfollower in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i haven't seen this mentioned yet.

  last year in the uk, shortly after the money grab that everyone had, we had a video and letter (both probably still available from atlantis) appealing for money for the new bethel and slips were handed out etc.

  this means that most uk congregations are sending a regular donation specifically for the chelmsford build.

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  Why are they bothering if armageddon(tm) is so close?

  
  

  I expect when the end comes, the organisation will be in the middle of a large project somewhere.

  The latest watchtowers all say live in expectation of it at all times, but just like the organisation have plans plans for the future.

  This is why they are really pushing young people to go and get trained in useful skills.

  There is a misconception that JWs dont like education or further education. This is simply not true.

  The truth is JWs are very much pro education, they just think nowadays university is a waste of 4 or so years, its a missalocation of time.

  Now all young people leaving school are encouraged to get real skills, something useful. But to keep a simple life.

  We are told to have real skills, real friends, and real assets. Im thankful JWs are now staying away from all stock markets, they are all looking top heavy.

  Many Jws are stacking gold and silver, especially silver bullion because it is so very cheap right now at $13oz.
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  Plans for huge Jehovah's HQ take shape

  by Formerbrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://www.chelmsfordweeklynews.co.uk/news/11227290.plans_for_huge_jehovah_s_hq_take_shape/.

  its going to be a real beautiful place when its finished.. they are going for quality over quantity.

  it used to be accommodation for a few thousand permanent residents, now its looking like less than a thousand permanent with the possibility of a few thousand more in temporary accommodation should the need arise.. some say the plans are going to be like a garden of eden in england :) i mean they had farming in london over the years but this is going to be epic what they are planning for temple farm at chelmsford.. they are planting thousands (literally) of fruit trees, including tropical fruits in huge green houses, huge vines yards and then the same basic farming activities as before.

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  Why are they bothering if armageddon(tm) is so close?

  
  

  I expect when the end comes, the organisation will be in the middle of a large project somewhere.

  The latest watchtowers all say live in expectation of it at all times, but just like the organisation have plans plans for the future.

  This is why they are really pushing young people to go and get trained in useful skills.

  There is a misconception that JWs dont like education or further education. This is simply not true.

  The truth is JWs are very much pro education, they just think nowadays university is a waste of 4 or so years, its a missalocation of time.

  Now all young people leaving school are encouraged to get real skills, something useful. But to keep a simple life.

  We are told to have real skills, real friends, and real assets. Im thankful JWs are now staying away from all stock markets, they are all looking top heavy.

  Many Jws are stacking gold and silver, especially silver bullion because it is so very cheap right now at $13oz.