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  What is the alternative to JW?

  by Formerbrother in

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  i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

  im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

  the the bible is word?

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  Formerbrother

  Doubtfully Yours7 days ago

  The alternative to being a JW.... Hmmmm... Please allow me to fantasize....

  Weekdays: Waking up each day without being concerned with reading a 'daily text' with Biblical passages and all, which takes up a good 15 mins. Just being able to wake up, exercise, shower then dress up and get to work would be nice.

  Not being concerned with giving a 'good witness' to co-workers, or looking awkward when someone sneezes. Participating in as many holiday/charity/etc.-related activities with co-workers; I work with a very fun and active bunch. Ohhh.... would be so very nice.

  Leaving work peacefully and not having to rush home with food picked up along the way and get ready for an awful boring religious meeting; such waste of precious time. So much better to spend a few days stopping at the gym right after work, or just arriving home peacefully to unwind, cook a meal together, watch favorite shows, take pets to park/beach, prepare for work next day, etc. Just freaking relax.... REEEELAX! That would be so nice.

  Weekends: Sleep or hang around in bed for as long as one wishes without being concerned with rushing to get ready for 'service' or a religious meeting. Make breakfast and start the morning nicely while outlining the plan for the day, be it do house/yard work, hobbies/gym/etc. When it is all said and done, enjoy a movie or some entertainment event of personal choice. Ohhh... would be nice.

  DY😊

  
  

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  Sounds like a very fulfilling purposeful life right there mate,

  NOT!!!!!!

  When you grow old and look back on your life you will think, what was the point of that? What is the purpose of life. Old Jws die very happy and contented, not fearing death at all. Because this is not the real life.

  It must be very hard for those who leave the turht. It would have been better if you had never known the truth.

  A bit like that rebel in the Matrix films, he says to the Agent, "I want to remember nothing" "nothing!"

  You can never go back to the matrix.

  All the ex JWs are desperate to think of an alternative. Anything,, evolution, agnostic, hell even some other false religion part of Babylon the great.

  This is the point of this thread, which other option? After all the many replies, there has not been one clear concise answer.

  I think its because the truth is clear.

  Oh and by the way, you cant go back to the Matrix, but once you know the truth you can be free of Satans lies.

  Come back to Jehovah and study the Bible with an open mind. Think for yourself, read the bible everyday, your relationship the the creator Jehovah God is nobody else business, its between you and him.

  But do not deceive yourself with the lies and propaganda that is much of the nonsense on this forum.

  PS.

  Can anybody answer my original question with a clear satisfying answer? If Jws have not got the truth, then -What is the alternative?
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  What is the alternative to JW?

  by Formerbrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

  im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

  the the bible is word?

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  Formerbrother

  Who else aprt from JW's really go by the entire Bible, ALL of it in its entirety? REALLY?

  
  

  James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

  
  

  A really good explanation of this scripture from The Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges:

  Pure religion] The word still presents the outward aspect of the devout life. Better perhaps, pure worship.

  undefiled] The term seems chosen with special reference to the Pharisee’s scrupulous care to avoid anything that caused ceremonial defilement. Comp. Joh_18:28, “lest they should be defiled,” where the word is that commonly used in the LXX. for polluted, or being “unclean,” as in Lev_5:3; Lev_11:23. St James reproduces the teaching of our Lord, that the real defilement comes from within, not from without, that true purity is found in “giving alms of such things as we have” (Mar_7:20-23, Luk_11:40).

  
  

  before God and the Father] The last word seems chosen with a special reference to the duty that follows. We worship the Father when we are like Him in our care for the orphans (Psa_68:5).

  To visit] The Greek word implies somewhat more than that which we commonly attach to the English; “to care for,” “look after,” as in “God hath visited his people” (Luk_7:16).

  Are you sure you want to stand by that statement of yours?

  
  

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  JWs are fullfilling this scripture better than any others. We are constantly encouraged to look after fatherless boys, orphans and widows. Even more encouraged to remain unspotted and unblemished from the world.

  What point are you making, are you saying the JWs are leaving this scripture out or something? Nothing could be further from the truth.

  Yes I am very sure I want to stand by that statement.

  Are you sure that you want to stand by your statement that JWs somehow leave this scripture out?
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  jw deny rumours moving UK HQ to Chelmsford project has collaspe

  by Aleph in

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  http://www.essexchronicle.co.uk/jehovah-s-witnesses-deny-rumours-uk-headquarters/story-27899763-detail/story.html.

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  Formerbrother

  What a bizarre argument.

  If their were no engineers, architects, doctors, etc. who "wasted their time" getting their degrees, where exactly would all those "really skilled" forklift drivers and drywall installers be working?

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  No this is exactly what young JWs are encouraged to go for, yes real skills. All those examples you said. engineers, architects, doctors,

  
  

  But dont waste time in university learning how to make computer games or some such nonsense.

  
  

  One of the GBody members said the other day, there is no need for IT people in the new world, but real skills are where its at.
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  What is the alternative to JW?

  by Formerbrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

  im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

  the the bible is word?

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  Formerbrother

  Formerbrother, I read a lot of the thread but not all, it's really long. I never saw anyone discuss the post Sparky1 made on page 11 about the Seventh Day Adventists. They really do get the word out there. Do they go door to door, I don't think so, but I also don't believe the bible limits preaching to only a single method as I'm sure you know the witnesses agree with. Witnesses use multiple methods to reach what they consider right hearted ones.

  I'm glad you're here and hope you keep posting. I researched for a looooooong time before I was able to finally realize that what my family had believed for several generations was not what I believed. I remained an active witness during my searching period and it cost me a lot physically and mentally once I realized that I felt the witnesses didn't actually teach what the bible teaches.

  There are some fantastic older threads where this board discusses in great detail blood transfusions, idol meat, door to door witnessing, destruction of Jerusalem in 607, cross versus stake, disfellowshipping....well, you get the point. Dig deep for the spiritual gems.

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  Thank you, I am determined to find fault with the JWs any possible way. I just havent been successful as of yet.

  The seventh day adventists do not come anywhere near to fulfilling all the requirements that Jws do.

  They do not preach to ALL the nations, or if they do its on a tiny scale in comparison to JWs.

  Of all the other things you mentioned, can you be specific in one area and give a clear to the point answer as to who is closer to the truth than Jws and why?

  I know this thread is long, but there has been no answer yet.

  The closest has been the Mormons, they do preach in twos to all the nations. But then they fall short in many other areas.

  There is no way Catholics, Anglicans, or seventh day adventists come closer to the entire Bible than JWs.

  Who else is there that has not yet been debunked already in this thread?
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  What is the alternative to JW?

  by Formerbrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

  im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

  the the bible is word?

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  Formerbrother

  Hi Former Brother , just to let you know that the figures about foreign language Bible translation are on the " What is Truth ? " thread .

  Jan

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  Thanks Jan.

  There is no debate at all about this, NOBODY comes even close to the translation numbers of th JWs presently.

  In the past of course they did, JWs are only around 100 years old.

  But today, its not even close, the translation work of the JWs is like comparing Rolls Royce with Form when comparing JWs to Catholics or Anglicans, or any other religion who translates Bible literature.
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  What is the alternative to JW?

  by Formerbrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

  im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

  the the bible is word?

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  Formerbrother

  It doesn't matter if Catholics, Anglicans, Mormons or JWs have printed or translated more bibles than anyone else. Most so called Christians believe that they will go to heaven... some believe they will live on earth forever. Both require belief in a God that created humans to suffer and die.

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  This is an easy one that any ex JW could answer. Its all about the issue of universal sovereignty who has got the right to rule.

  The rebellion in Eden was a challenge for independent rule from God.

  Jehovah could have just wiped everybody out and started again, or give them time to prove independent rule from him will not work.
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  What is the alternative to JW?

  by Formerbrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

  im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

  the the bible is word?

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  Formerbrother

  No one can believe the entire bible because it clearly contradicts itself in many cases. The God from the Old Testament doesn't resemble the God that Jesus portrayed in the gospels at all. Even though JWs say that they believe the entire bible they use clever mental acrobatics and speculation to gloss over the contradictions.

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  Sounds like an excuse to me, I still say either believe all the Bible or non of it.

  At least the JWs are the only ones who believe all of it.

  Others say they do, but when it comes to men laying with men, or the blood issue, then that is what sorts the true religion from the false.
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  What is the alternative to JW?

  by Formerbrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

  im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

  the the bible is word?

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  Formerbrother

  Why are they bothering if armageddon(tm) is so close?

  
  

  I expect when the end comes, the organisation will be in the middle of a large project somewhere.

  The latest watchtowers all say live in expectation of it at all times, but just like the organisation have plans plans for the future.

  This is why they are really pushing young people to go and get trained in useful skills.

  There is a misconception that JWs dont like education or further education. This is simply not true.

  The truth is JWs are very much pro education, they just think nowadays university is a waste of 4 or so years, its a missalocation of time.

  Now all young people leaving school are encouraged to get real skills, something useful. But to keep a simple life.

  We are told to have real skills, real friends, and real assets. Im thankful JWs are now staying away from all stock markets, they are all looking top heavy.

  Many Jws are stacking gold and silver, especially silver bullion because it is so very cheap right now at $13oz.
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  Despite a 'number' of similar projects being pulled, the Chelmsford Project will continue...

  by NeverKnew in

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  2. friends

  this article suggests that there are projects being halted, but chelmsford isn't one of them.

  can someone from the uk tell me if this article was written by a reputable and known publisher?

  plans for huge jehovah's witnesses hq continues.

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  Formerbrother

  Why are they bothering if armageddon(tm) is so close?

  
  

  I expect when the end comes, the organisation will be in the middle of a large project somewhere.

  The latest watchtowers all say live in expectation of it at all times, but just like the organisation have plans plans for the future.

  This is why they are really pushing young people to go and get trained in useful skills.

  There is a misconception that JWs dont like education or further education. This is simply not true.

  The truth is JWs are very much pro education, they just think nowadays university is a waste of 4 or so years, its a missalocation of time.

  Now all young people leaving school are encouraged to get real skills, something useful. But to keep a simple life.

  We are told to have real skills, real friends, and real assets. Im thankful JWs are now staying away from all stock markets, they are all looking top heavy.

  Many Jws are stacking gold and silver, especially silver bullion because it is so very cheap right now at $13oz.
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  jw deny rumours moving UK HQ to Chelmsford project has collaspe

  by Aleph in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  http://www.essexchronicle.co.uk/jehovah-s-witnesses-deny-rumours-uk-headquarters/story-27899763-detail/story.html.

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  Formerbrother

  Why are they bothering if armageddon(tm) is so close?

  
  

  I expect when the end comes, the organisation will be in the middle of a large project somewhere.

  The latest watchtowers all say live in expectation of it at all times, but just like the organisation have plans plans for the future.

  This is why they are really pushing young people to go and get trained in useful skills.

  There is a misconception that JWs dont like education or further education. This is simply not true.

  The truth is JWs are very much pro education, they just think nowadays university is a waste of 4 or so years, its a missalocation of time.

  Now all young people leaving school are encouraged to get real skills, something useful. But to keep a simple life.

  We are told to have real skills, real friends, and real assets. Im thankful JWs are now staying away from all stock markets, they are all looking top heavy.

  Many Jws are stacking gold and silver, especially silver bullion because it is so very cheap right now at $13oz.