There is going to be another big meeting in Bows Road Assembly hall to try to drum up volunteers.
It seems all the secret underground work has been completed and sealed off with the secret entrance only known to a select few.
Formerbrother
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Plans for huge Jehovah's HQ take shape
by Formerbrother inhttp://www.chelmsfordweeklynews.co.uk/news/11227290.plans_for_huge_jehovah_s_hq_take_shape/.
its going to be a real beautiful place when its finished.. they are going for quality over quantity.
it used to be accommodation for a few thousand permanent residents, now its looking like less than a thousand permanent with the possibility of a few thousand more in temporary accommodation should the need arise.. some say the plans are going to be like a garden of eden in england :) i mean they had farming in london over the years but this is going to be epic what they are planning for temple farm at chelmsford.. they are planting thousands (literally) of fruit trees, including tropical fruits in huge green houses, huge vines yards and then the same basic farming activities as before.
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Plans for huge Jehovah's HQ take shape
by Formerbrother inhttp://www.chelmsfordweeklynews.co.uk/news/11227290.plans_for_huge_jehovah_s_hq_take_shape/.
its going to be a real beautiful place when its finished.. they are going for quality over quantity.
it used to be accommodation for a few thousand permanent residents, now its looking like less than a thousand permanent with the possibility of a few thousand more in temporary accommodation should the need arise.. some say the plans are going to be like a garden of eden in england :) i mean they had farming in london over the years but this is going to be epic what they are planning for temple farm at chelmsford.. they are planting thousands (literally) of fruit trees, including tropical fruits in huge green houses, huge vines yards and then the same basic farming activities as before.
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"I won't deny the blood on the Vatican's hand, if you don't deny the blood on the WT's. Deal?"
I deny blood on Jehovahs peoples hands, Jehovahs people never ever partake in any wars, what on earth are you referring to?
Anyway whats the latest news on Chelmsford relocation?
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What is the alternative to JW?
by Formerbrother ini mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.
im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?
the the bible is word?
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Still a lot of wishy washy answers, if not JWs then what other options?
If there is one option nearer the truth what is it?
You cant just say logic or the Bible, or Jesus, OK all these things are good, so if not JWs then which option is nearest to these things?
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What is the alternative to JW?
by Formerbrother ini mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.
im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?
the the bible is word?
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So what are the top 3 so far?
1. Mormons.
2 New Age mumbo jumbo,
3. Catholics
Any others should be added to the list?
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What is the alternative to JW?
by Formerbrother ini mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.
im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?
the the bible is word?
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Plans for huge Jehovah's HQ take shape
by Formerbrother inhttp://www.chelmsfordweeklynews.co.uk/news/11227290.plans_for_huge_jehovah_s_hq_take_shape/.
its going to be a real beautiful place when its finished.. they are going for quality over quantity.
it used to be accommodation for a few thousand permanent residents, now its looking like less than a thousand permanent with the possibility of a few thousand more in temporary accommodation should the need arise.. some say the plans are going to be like a garden of eden in england :) i mean they had farming in london over the years but this is going to be epic what they are planning for temple farm at chelmsford.. they are planting thousands (literally) of fruit trees, including tropical fruits in huge green houses, huge vines yards and then the same basic farming activities as before.
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keyser soze5 minutes ago
The amusing part is that this same poster, on a previous thread, went into a diatribe about how much wealth the Catholic church is hoarding from its constituents. Now he's awestruck by this.
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What are you on about?
Do you try to deny the Vatican has a bloodthirsty past and have amassed huge stockpiles of gold? All of this large secret gold stockpile is stained with blood.
How can you compare the Vatican to Jehovahs Witnesses?
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Plans for huge Jehovah's HQ take shape
by Formerbrother inhttp://www.chelmsfordweeklynews.co.uk/news/11227290.plans_for_huge_jehovah_s_hq_take_shape/.
its going to be a real beautiful place when its finished.. they are going for quality over quantity.
it used to be accommodation for a few thousand permanent residents, now its looking like less than a thousand permanent with the possibility of a few thousand more in temporary accommodation should the need arise.. some say the plans are going to be like a garden of eden in england :) i mean they had farming in london over the years but this is going to be epic what they are planning for temple farm at chelmsford.. they are planting thousands (literally) of fruit trees, including tropical fruits in huge green houses, huge vines yards and then the same basic farming activities as before.
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wifibandit3 days ago
A well known member of this forum who wishes to remain Anonymous says :
Just got news from a London bethelite that it was announced on Thursday at London that Chelmsford goes ahead for completion by 2020. No printery!!! (But room for one if they need it - like that is going to happen)According to my source they have 500/550 at moment and numbers accommodated at Chelmsford will be 280
Its all down to the increasing use of digital media. We dont need so much printing as we did before.
The really interesting news is that the large M.A.N press which is worth millions, is being stored underground. Why? I think this has been the plan all along, expecting the UN to ban religion, then digital spiritual food will be harder, we may go back to paper like times gone by when Jehovahs people were under ban. Nothing can ever stop Jehovahs people.
Most of shipping/export departments are moving to Germany. All those brothers and sisters had better start learning German.
Chelmsford can easily house 280 Bethelites, but they now say it will probably be 250 in the Bethel family.
They will each have a lot more room than they do at the moment in Mill Hill. So they could have a larger family if required in the future, they will just have to go back to the amount of space each they have at the moment.
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Despite a 'number' of similar projects being pulled, the Chelmsford Project will continue...
by NeverKnew inthis article suggests that there are projects being halted, but chelmsford isn't one of them.
can someone from the uk tell me if this article was written by a reputable and known publisher?
plans for huge jehovah's witnesses hq continues.
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wifibandit3 days ago
A well known member of this forum who wishes to remain Anonymous says :
Just got news from a London bethelite that it was announced on Thursday at London that Chelmsford goes ahead for completion by 2020. No printery!!! (But room for one if they need it - like that is going to happen)According to my source they have 500/550 at moment and numbers accommodated at Chelmsford will be 280
Its all down to the increasing use of digital media. We dont need so much printing as we did before.
The really interesting news is that the large M.A.N press which is worth millions, is being stored underground. Why? I think this has been the plan all along, expecting the UN to ban religion, then digital spiritual food will be harder, we may go back to paper like times gone by when Jehovahs people were under ban. Nothing can ever stop Jehovahs people.
Most of shipping/export departments are moving to Germany. All those brothers and sisters had better start learning German.
Chelmsford can easily house 280 Bethelites, but they now say it will probably be 250 in the Bethel family.
They will each have a lot more room than they do at the moment in Mill Hill. So they could have a larger family if required in the future, they will just have to go back to the amount of space each they have at the moment.
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Mill Hill - Chelmsford, reduced capacity, any news on Chelmsford plan revision
by Lostandfound inchelmsford looks to have much less work than in mill hill complex, if gb spirit guided why did they allow massive plans for new site when such significant changes must have been in discussion, planning , or contemplation.
knee jerk reaction to things looks to indicate someone or more on gb has instituted changes almost overnight.
my dog plans his day better, get up, walk, sleep, eat, walk some more, eat some more, and sleep again.
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Its all down to the increasing use of digital media. We dont need so much printing as we did before.
The really interesting news is that the large M.A.N press which is worth millions, is being stored underground. Why? I think this has been the plan all along, expecting the UN to ban religion, then digital spiritual food will be harder, we may go back to paper like times gone by when Jehovahs people were under ban. Nothing can ever stop Jehovahs people.
Most of shipping/export departments are moving to Germany. All those brothers and sisters had better start learning German.
Chelmsford can easily house 280 Bethelites, but they now say it will probably be 250 in the Bethel family
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What is the alternative to JW?
by Formerbrother ini mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.
im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?
the the bible is word?
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TheLiberator17 hours ago
Formerbrother: Sorry about that. Here is the source: ws11 7/15 pp. 10-16 - The Watchtower (Simplified)—2011-Very faith strengthening article, thanks for the link. Its well worth reading those scriptures about Paul and timothy, then really thinking about everything with an open unbiased mind.
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/402011524
DO NOT FOLLOW “FALSE TEACHERS”
3, 4. (a) Why are false teachers like wells with no water? (b) Where do false teachers come from, and what do they want to do?
3 Imagine that on your journey, you go through a desert and you get thirsty. In the distance, you see a well. You think that you will find water in it, so you walk toward it. But when you get to the well, there is no water. You are very disappointed! We can say that the truth is like water and that false teachers are like wells with no water. People who think that these teachers have the truth will be disappointed. Through the apostles Paul and Peter, Jehovah warns us about false teachers. (Read Acts 20:29, 30; 2 Peter 2:1-3.) Who are these false teachers? The words of Paul and Peter tell us where false teachers come from and how they fool people.
4 Paul said to the elders of the congregation in Ephesus: “From among you yourselves men will rise and speak twisted things.” And Peter wrote in a letter to several congregations: “There will also be false teachers among you.” So false teachers may come from inside the congregation. These false teachers are apostates.* (See footnote.) What do they want? Paul said that when they leave Jehovah’s organization, they want “to draw away the disciples after themselves.” The disciples Paul is talking about are the disciples of Jesus Christ. These false teachers do not go outside the congregation to make disciples. They try to take, or steal, disciples from inside the congregation. Jesus said that apostates are like wolves that eat the sheep. Apostates want to destroy the faith of the members of the congregation and want them to leave the truth.—Matthew 7:15;2 Timothy 2:18.
5. How do false teachers fool people?
5 How do false teachers fool people? They do this in a very clever way. Apostates “quietly” bring their ideas into the congregation, like criminals who secretly bring things into a country. Apostates use “counterfeit words.” This means that they say things that make their false ideas sound true, like criminals who make false documents look real. They try to get as many people as possible to believe their “deceptive teachings.” Peter also said that they like twisting the Scriptures. They explain Bible verses in the wrong way to make others believe their ideas. (2 Peter 2:1, 3, 13; 3:16) Apostates do not care about us. If we follow them, we will leave the road to everlasting life.
6. What clear warning does the Bible give us about false teachers?
6 How can we protect ourselves against false teachers? The Bible tells us exactly what to do. (Read Romans 16:17; 2 John 9-11.) The clear instruction in the Bible is: “Avoid them.” That means that we have to stay away from them. The warning from the Bible is like a warning from a doctor who tells you to avoid a person who has a disease that may spread to others. The doctor knows that if you get this disease, you will die. His warning is clear, and you will do what he says. The Bible says that apostates are mentally diseased and that they use their teachings to make others think like them. (1 Timothy 6:3, 4) Jehovah is like that good doctor. He clearly tells us to stay away from false teachers. We must always be determined to follow his warning.
7, 8. (a) What must we do to avoid false teachers? (b) Why are you determined to avoid false teachers?
7 What must we do to avoid false teachers? We do not speak to them or invite them into our houses. We also do not read their books, watch them on television, read what they write on the Internet, or add our own comments about what they write on the Internet. Why are we so determined to avoid them? First of all, it is because we love “the God of truth.” So we do not want to listen to false teachings that go against the truth in God’s Word. (Psalm 31:5; John 17:17) We also love the organization that Jehovah uses to teach us wonderful truths. It was Jehovah’s organization that taught us about Jehovah’s name and what it means, his purpose for the earth, what happens to us when we die, and the hope of the resurrection. Do you remember how happy you were when you first learned these and other truths? Then do not allow the lies from false teachers to turn you against the organization that taught you these truths.—John 6:66-69.
8 No matter what false teachers say, we will not follow them! We have no reason to listen to people who are like wells with no water. Those who listen to them will be disappointed. We are determined to be loyal to Jehovah and to his organization. This organization has never disappointed us and always gives us an abundance of pure waters of truth from God’s Word.—Isaiah 55:1-3; Matthew 24:45-47.
DO NOT “PAY ATTENTION TO FALSE STORIES”
9, 10. What warning about false stories did Paul give to Timothy? What false stories was Paul thinking about? (See also footnote.)
9 A sign on the road that someone has turned to point the wrong way can fool us. Sometimes it is easy to see that the sign is pointing the wrong way, but at other times it is not easy. The same is true with the lies that come from Satan. If we are not careful, some of his lies can easily fool us. The apostle Paul warns us about these lies. He calls them “false stories.” (Read 1 Timothy 1:3, 4.) What are these false stories, and how can we avoid paying attention to them? We need the answers to these questions so that we can stay on the road to everlasting life.
10 Paul’s warning about false stories is in the first letter he wrote to Timothy, a Christian elder. Paul told Timothy to keep the congregation clean and to help his brothers and sisters to stay loyal to Jehovah. (1 Timothy 1:18, 19) The Greek word that Paul used for “false stories” means “a lie” or “a made-up story.” One book says that a false story is a religious story that has no connection with what is real. (The International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia) Perhaps Paul was thinking about the religious lies that came from old stories that people made up and that made others curious.* (See footnote.) Paul said that these stories were dangerous because they “furnish questions for research.” This means that people who pay attention to these stories start having questions about things that are not true and then use their time trying to find the answers. Satan uses these made-up stories and religious lies to make people forget the most important things. Paul’s words are clear: Do not pay attention to false stories!
11. How does Satan use false religion to fool people? What warning should we pay attention to?
11 What are some false stories that could fool us if we are not careful? We can say that a false story is any religious teaching that turns our ears “away from the truth,” that is, that makes us stop listening to the truth. (2 Timothy 4:3, 4) Satan is smart. He uses false religion to fool people. That is why the Bible says that he makes himself into “an angel of light.” (2 Corinthians 11:14) For example, the religions of Christendom say that they follow Christ, but they teach lies like the Trinity and hellfire. They also teach that some part of humans lives on after the death of the body. Many think that Christmas and Easter please God, but the things that people do during these celebrations really come from false worship. False stories will not fool us if we pay attention to God’s warning to separate ourselves from false religion and “quit touching the unclean thing.”—2 Corinthians 6:14-17.
12, 13. (a) What are three lies that come from Satan? What is the truth about each of these lies? (b) What must we do if we do not want Satan to fool us with false stories?
12 There are other lies from Satan that can fool us if we are not careful. Let us talk about three of these lies. The first lie is: You can do whatever you want; you decide what is right and what is wrong. We often hear this on television, in movies, in magazines, in newspapers, and on the Internet. Because we hear this lie all the time, it is easy for us to start to think that way and follow the immoral ideas of the world. But the truth is that we need God to tell us what is right and what is wrong. (Jeremiah 10:23) The second lie is:God will never change anything on the earth. This idea makes people think only about today. They do not care about the future or about pleasing God. We might start to think like them and then become “inactive or unfruitful” in our service to God. (2 Peter 1:8) The truth is that Jehovah will soon change things on the earth, and we must show by the way we live that we really believe this. (Matthew 24:44) The third lie is: God does not care about you. Satan wants us to believe that we are not good enough for God to love us. If Satan makes us believe this lie, we might stop serving Jehovah. The truth is that Jehovah loves each one of his servants, and each one is very important to him.—Matthew 10:29-31.
13 We must always be careful not to think like people in Satan’s world. Sometimes it seems that what they say and think is really true. But remember that Satan wants to fool us, and no one knows better how to fool people than he does. We must pay attention to the warnings in the Bible if we do not want Satan to fool us with false stories.—2 Peter 1:16.
DO NOT “FOLLOW SATAN”