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Two witness rule using the other 2 bibles on jw.org

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so i was thinking, now jw.org uses two other bible translations/versions on their website.. can we not use the two witness rule regarding certain doctrines.

for example john 1:1 this is absolutely amazing to me that they would have two bibles for jesus being god.

but only one bible, their own translation in support of jesus being a god.

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So I was thinking, now JW.org uses two other bible translations/versions on their website.

Can we not use the two witness rule regarding certain doctrines. For example John 1:1 this is absolutely amazing to me that they would have two bibles for Jesus being God. But only one bible, their own translation in support of Jesus being a god. In my eyes that's a win for Jesus being God. Score 2 to 1 in favor, and found on their own website.

This could be done with many other verses that Watchtower has changed, just take them to their own website and show 2 bibles that disagree with what JW's believe.

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Comparing 1987 to 2017 --- cart witnessing

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take a ride with me back to 1987. picture yourself in your town, or city centre.

remember the clothes people wore, the hairstyles etc.... now imagine yourself doing your ministry out on the street, engaging with people, speaking with them, striking up conversations.

now, how would you feel, and what would you say, if you noticed two people appear nearby with a cart.

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Take a ride with me back to 1987. Picture yourself in your town, or city centre. Remember the clothes people wore, the hairstyles etc...

Now imagine yourself doing your ministry out on the street, engaging with people, speaking with them, striking up conversations. Now, how would you feel, and what would you say, if you noticed two people appear nearby with a cart. They begin to unpack and get it ready. You keep an eye on them as your talking to someone, showing them a scripture from your bible.

You notice they are Christians from a nearby church, promoting their literature. But they are just sat there on the bench. One is wearing sunglasses, they are both facing away from the cart, paying no interest in it whatsoever. How would you back then, and how would other witnesses have reacted to the cart and this couples attempt at preaching?

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If Jehovah God was in "Human Form" with his Theocratic Nation on earth in todays climate he would be facing Human rights issues.

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where does one start :.

he is guilty of genocide for the attempted and succesful ,killing off other nations not leaving man woman or child alive.. he is guilty of barbarism against women for not living up to his rules or regulations such as cutting off a womans hand for defending her husband in a brawl with another man.. he is guilty of condemning the whole human race for the misdemeanor of the first human pair for eating a fruit he said not to eat ?

a bit over the top dont you think ?.

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Great post Smidy

If he were human and on earth right now. People would be mad to want anything to do with him, let alone worship him.

I remember an older brother on the coach, as we were going to the British Bethel for a tour. He said we were all selfish hahaha. His wife tried to shush him up. But he was right. We only worship him in order to preserve our lives. Much the same as the people of North Korea do to their leader.

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“Tree of good and bad” means what?

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if “tree of good and bad” were literal, it would mean adam and eve would know what is “good and bad” only after eating of that tree.

however, even before eating of it, they would think “it is good for us to eat of this tree” which means they are already endowed knowledge of “good and bad.” that means “tree of good and bad” is symbolic of something.. since religious organizations interpret this differently, each reader has to adopt his own conclusion.

for me it looks like this: one thinks of good and bad in relation to himself—if something is beneficial for him he would say it is good for him, and bad for him if it is not beneficial.

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Nice post. I personally think putting such a thing there in the first place was wrong. The curiosity would have been too much if not for Adam and Eve, then for someone else. I mean the fruit from that tree was gonna be eat by someone, someday. I just had to.

The fact that God can see into the future too is very disturbing. Knowing that this was going to happen all along.

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This really does not end well for God.

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to say this whole creation thing has been or will be a success at the end is absurd.

not only did one third of the angels jump ship to satans side.

but adam and eve screwed up so quickly.

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Good point. The fact that we get wars here on Earth is bad enough. But to know even in Heaven things are kicking off. Now if war really was what we think it to be, then angel and demons would have been fighting. So nobody is good. Even the angels if they were involved in this war.

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God of the Old Testament

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to those on these forums who are christian and or to those who believe in the god of the old testament; how does one overcome many of the questionable actions god took or allowed to happen in the old testament?.

many if not most of us have heard of criticisms of the god of the old testament.

you can find these criticisms on many websites.. how do you explain to an honest hearted person why god acted the way they did?.

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Had God said to the Israelites don't look because I've given these people a chance time and time again and so have to punish them. But come back in an hour and the disabled, young children and the very very old will be hear for you to pick up and look after. Had I read something like that in the bible, I may be open to "God is love" But when I read kill everyone, blah, blah, except those young untouched virgins. Then you know were dealing with sick and twisted men.

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This really does not end well for God.

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to say this whole creation thing has been or will be a success at the end is absurd.

not only did one third of the angels jump ship to satans side.

but adam and eve screwed up so quickly.

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Yeah I never thought about that before. Everyone will question eventually. I just think how hes handled it is so cruel. Why take us on this trip just to prove a point. Why not rid Adam and Eve, put his hand up and say "My bad" they screwed up. Let me try this again. I'm sure people and the Angels would love and respect God that much more. But no, billions of lives have to be lost.

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This really does not end well for God.

by pleaseresearch in

to say this whole creation thing has been or will be a success at the end is absurd.

not only did one third of the angels jump ship to satans side.

but adam and eve screwed up so quickly.

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To say this whole creation thing has been or will be a success at the end is absurd. Not only did one third of the angels jump ship to Satans side. But Adam and Eve screwed up so quickly. Even before Adam and Eve sinned. Satan had turned on God. So it's really not gone well for him so far.

Ok we get to Armageddon and billions are killed. Let's not forget all the people who died during Noah's time. Then after the 1000 year reign of Jesus it says Satan will be let out, and the people who Satan will get to turn from God and go to attack his people will be as the sands of the earth. So we can pretty much imagine, billions again if not trillions if that's possible. So then they are all dead.

Then God wont bring to mind the former things. Yeah because what an embarrassment and a total failure its been for God. The angels that will live with God and have seen all this, must have face palmed themselves so hard, so many times. For God after all this, feel it's ok to put his feet up, relax and feel proud of any of this, is Nuts!

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Toilet noises

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when growing up as a child i would go to the toilet, and now as an adult i know what those noises were.. they were tugging and jerking sounds, along with heavy breathing.

i had no idea what was going on.

i remember too telling my mum about it.. but i now know.

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Haha yeah I bet that's what he took in with him.

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Toilet noises

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when growing up as a child i would go to the toilet, and now as an adult i know what those noises were.. they were tugging and jerking sounds, along with heavy breathing.

i had no idea what was going on.

i remember too telling my mum about it.. but i now know.

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I was so innocent though hahaha. I didn't have the internet and knew people did this.

But it was wrong to do it in the hall. I wanted to look under sometimes to see what the noise was. I'm happy now I didn't.