Well, sooner or later, they would make a move in that direction - if you count all "true" christians in 1st century, some in the meantime, then 1870' onward, you get close to 144k. In 1935. (when was a change in doctrine about that) there was 52 465 partakers, add those who was anointed and died till 1935, add those who was anointed and died after 1935, and we still have 15 177 partakers last year and number is still growing and growing...
Posts by btlc
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183The Great Crowd!
by A Believer innotice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!
a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .
this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!
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The Great Crowd!
by A Believer innotice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!
a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .
this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!
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Btlc the one Jehovah let see this prophecy couldn't number them. No one knows exactly how many will be there that day. Even Jehovah doesn't look into the future, everyone has free will.
No, it doesn't say that, it say: which no man was able to number, - please read better
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The Great Crowd!
by A Believer innotice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!
a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .
this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!
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Even Jehovah doesn't look into the future
So what is The Book of Revelation? Just a bad trip of St. John?
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Do you believe that Jehovah is using the Organization today?
by Iamallcool inany elder has never asked me that question so far but i want to be prepared to answer that question if any of them ask me that question in the future.
i hope that they will never ask me that question.
any suggestions on how to answer that question would be very much appreciated.
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My answer would be: God works in mysterious ways...
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The Great Crowd!
by A Believer innotice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!
a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .
this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!
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Kingdumb songs, will they someday make the top 25 Religious Hymns???
by James Mixon inamazing grace have been around since 1779, how great thou art 1885,holy holy holy 1826, be thou my vision (ireland) 6th century, all creatures of god and king (italy)1225. so you think one day we will hear a kingdumb song playing over the radio.
you would think surely jehovah want the world to be familiar with his hymns.... maybe they have instructed the rf to only sing their songs in the kh, only for special folks..
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@sparky1 ty! This was a rarely used, spare set in our cong in the mid of 1980', I was in charge for gramophone, and elder told me: "Take care of this vinyl, bro" so I took care :)
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Despite their false predictions aren't the JWs right? Won't the world eventually end & Paradise come?
by deegee inaren't there christian denominations who do not make false end of the world predictions but who nevertheless believe that the world will eventually end and paradise (whether in heaven or on earth) will come?.
it seems the watchtower was just jumping the gun when they made false end of the world predictions but they are nevertheless the right: the world will eventually end and paradise will come..
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Even idea of paradise by JW is ridiculous - first kill 99.9% of humanity, then "resurrect" 99.9% people from the past times. Btw, there is nothing to resurrect - by JW teaching, soul = flesh body + impersonal spirit (energy), when someone dies, his soul dies, flesh body decomposes, spirit went back to God. Nothing unique left, just a "memory". So, in "resurrection" God will make a brand new body, put some energy to start life, and download informations from his "memory" to his brain - that is not resurrection, that is a cloning. That is just a replica of people lived once. So whats the point of "paradise" with 99.9% replicas of deceised people?
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Kingdumb songs, will they someday make the top 25 Religious Hymns???
by James Mixon inamazing grace have been around since 1779, how great thou art 1885,holy holy holy 1826, be thou my vision (ireland) 6th century, all creatures of god and king (italy)1225. so you think one day we will hear a kingdumb song playing over the radio.
you would think surely jehovah want the world to be familiar with his hymns.... maybe they have instructed the rf to only sing their songs in the kh, only for special folks..
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Ah, memories...
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WBATS = THE WIZARD OF OZ
by UNCONDITIONAL LOVE ini found this amusing and ironic, but in a nutshell.
stay on the yellow brick road, do as we say and want, and we promise you courage, a heart, a brain and a ticket back home (spirtual paradise now/ physical paradise soon/ resurrection guaranteed )... .
don't ask too many questions or look behind the big curtain, just believe us or you'll fall apart and die... (research or study on your own/internet/ researching the governing body leads to weakness and disfellowshipping).
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I like the movie in which Sean Connery revealed true meaning of their god Zardoz:
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Question for those that have been Disfellowshiped for apostasy VS succesfully fading
by NikL inthere are quite a few here who have been disfellowshipped for apostasy.. then there are those that have successfully faded.. why the different outcome?
are the ones that got df more out spoken?
or does the discrepancy lie with the elders?.
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In 2001. when UN - NGO affair was on, I sent a letter to local branch asking what's going on. Then they made a committee, start to harassing me, etc, you know how they work. One of the questions was, of course, about my so-called apostasy and my view of GB/FDS. I asked, what you mean under "apostasy"? They answered blah blah. Ok, i said, so, by your definition, whenever FDS brings a new light about something, they express apostasy? Months, even years before they announce something new, they found error in our teaching or praxis, meditate about that, talk to each other how to change wrong thing, and then publish a new "truth" - just as any true apostates. They were stunned, but didn't answered on that.
In other occasions I simply ask: what is more important, GB or Bible? group of men or God's Word? I insist on that question untill they answer: Bible. And I simply point to Deuteronomy 18:20-22; or Galatians 1:8, 9.
