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  the-question (607 BCE explained and proved)

  by pleaseresearch in

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  so a user named "the-question" said the jw's were right about 607 bce.. this is your chance brother to prove us all wrong.. we all can't wait to hear from you :).

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  Even WT Bible, NWT, point to 587 BCE as time of Jerusalem fall. How? Open book of Zechariah:
  1:7, 12: the second year of Darius, the foreseen "70 years" still ongoing
  7:1-5: the fourth year of Darius, "70 years" just finished.
  Now, turn page 1662 (2013 Edition), Zachariah, writing completed 518. BCE, time covered 520-518 BCE. So, by the WT own Bible appendix, "70 years" was 587-518 BCE.
  
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  Absolute moral standards and fiction.

  by The Rebel in

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  not all beliefs are worthy of respect, but when we read a book of fiction in my mind it's easier to travel outside ourselves and our absolute moral standards.

  fiction allows our imagination to be free.

  i haven't read " fifty shades of grey" but i read " romeo and juliet" at school,and juliet was 13, romeo i believe was supposedly around 18 or 19.

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  My father destroyed a collection of "The Beatles" albums back in '70ies (among the other things) when he become JW, because they were "satanic". Now he listen the same music as "evergreens" and "classics" and "beautiful old melodies"...
  
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  Eagerly anticipating the death of billions!

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  surely someone who eagerly looks forward to the death of billions of people (including babies and children) is not emotionally healthy?.

  yet, that is the key belief "happily" anticipated by witnesses.... food for thought?.

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  Many years ago, we had some guests, a young JW couple with a child, girl 3-4y old. We talked usuall JW crap, and they said to daughter: show how Jehovah will destroy this world. And she started to bang with the feet on the floor, like killing cockroaches - they found that amusing. I mumbled something like: is there something more appropriate to teach your child? and I got just a raised eyebrows back. Never saw them again, I wonder what grew out of that kid.
  
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  Scriptures rarely mentioned

  by dothemath in

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  a couple of examples of scriptures hardly ever quoted is 1 tim.

  2:12- "i do not permit a woman to teach, or to exercise authority over a man, but to be in silence".

  or verse 11- "let a woman learn in silence with full submissiveness.".

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  Galatians, chapters 1 & 2, completely makes null and void WT fairy tales about GB of the 1st century who was supposed to control all activities, to introduce "a new lights", to appoint apostles, etc.
  
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  Cutbacks

  by pepperheart in

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  what other cut backs do you think will be coming or might be coming these next few years for the borg ?.

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  @The Searcher: ... 2-day rallies rather than 3 days

  That is mine line of thinking too. They already cutted other conventions (idk how it call on english) from 2 to 1 day. And that will be an perfect opportunity to slap faces of loyal JW once again, this time to those who had to quit or lose jobs because of free friday.
  
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  Are there any doctrines which all Christian religions follow.

  by jwfacts in

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  i cannot think of a single doctrine that is so clearly laid out in the bible that every christian sect teaches the same point.

  are there any doctrine where there is total consensus amongst all christian religions, including jehovah's witnesses?.

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  All christian religions recognize each other as christians by teaching that Jesus is God, and by accepting The Holy Trinity. That's the main filter which JW, mormons, etc. can not pass, so they are not consider as "christians" by others.
  
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  Since everything about the origins of the Watchtower magazine were proved wrong, what legitimacy can its inheritors claim?

  by Half banana in

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  the original aim of ct russell in starting the watchtower magazine in 1879 was to announce to the world his pet idea that jesus had come to rule in the heavens five years earlier back in 1874. for the young entrepreneur this new magazine looked like a commercial runner and it was!.

  most of us know how profoundly false the prophecy was but if you don't mind i'll give a brief overview for newbies:.

  1874 was the failed adventist prediction year for the return of christ in the heavenly glory, which russell was now saying was the right year after all.

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  Half banana: One significant evidence which Adventists had been relying on was the scripture in Daniel based on 607 BCE as the date when Jerusalem was destroyed by Cyrus. Russell said that this date 607 BCE was the pivotal date for predicting the end of god’s enemies on Earth.

  Just to comment, CT Russell never spoke about 607 BCE, not even Rutherford, their number was 606 BCE. The first mention of 607 BCE was soon after Rutherford's death, in the 1943. book "The Truth Shall Make You Free", page 239.
  

  Btw, Russell had a few different ways to "prove" 1874. year - measurement of the Great pyramid, six thousand years from creation of Adam by former chronology, by anchor date 539 CE plus 1335 from Daniel's prophecy...
  

  
  
  
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  You wake up one morning and see

  by A Believer in

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  the un has banned religion.

  what are you're thoughts?.

  also changes to it seem to be on the way.... http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/12/trump-vows-israel-vote-161224040133216.html.

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  @pale.emperor: A Believer isn't even baptised, he thinks this all unique.

  Could be, but I know for sure that some JW (often kids) pretend they are just a sympathizers of JW, so they can peacefully troll around, avoiding tricky questions saying - idk, I'm not even baptized, just started to learn. So I would say, troll by definition.
  
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  No updated Watctower's articles on Evolution

  by opusdei1972 in

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  as far as i know, the "creation" book is out of print ?, am i right?.

  well, i was searching for new watchtower articles trying to debunk, for instance, human evolution.

  so, i did my homework, for the first time, so as to read past and updated papers and books on human evolution.

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  No updated Watchtower articles on Evolution - of course not, writing department is a bunch of ignorants. Look at few recent lines in WT:
  

  But does the theory of evolution represent true science at its best? Note the conclusion that Christoph Schönborn, Catholic archbishop of Vienna, presented in The New York Times: “Any system of thought that denies or seeks to explain away the overwhelming evidence for design in biology is ideology, not science.” (WT 15.08.2007 pg 4) - so Catholic archbishops are relevant now?

  Christians deal with moral, social, financial, and religious pressures that could cause them to deviate from Jehovah’s righteous ways. Many face family opposition. In some countries, educational institutions promote the theory of evolution ever more aggressively, and atheism is gaining more attention. In the face of such pressures, we cannot merely hunker down and do nothing. We must take action in order to resist and thus protect ourselves. (WT 15.09.2009 pg 13) - by discouraging any education beyond elementary

  Also, “the faithful and discreet slave” provides spiritual food to protect us against the teaching of evolution, the enticement of immoral desires, the pursuit of riches and prominence, and numerous other harmful desires and influences. (WT 15.01.2010 pg 10) - so they canceled book "Creation"

  Your peers may believe in evolution or in various false religious doctrines because others have told them that this is what they should believe. However, you can rise above such thinking when it comes to your own beliefs. Remember, Jehovah wants you to serve him with your whole mind. (Read Matthew 22:36, 37.) Our heavenly Father wants you to build your faith on evidence. (WT 15.11.2010 pg 13) - evidence like gravity, electricity, wind? btw, evolution is the same category as various false religious doctrines? really?

  and so on, I have more quotes, but stupidity of writers makes me sick. You cannot expect that such ignorants will ever be capable to understand simple fact such as evolution and the best explanation of that fact such as theory of evolution.
  
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  why haven't the elders talked to him yet???

  by Homer notsimpson in

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  my brother got himself in hot water, ive been posting alot about this only cuz i care for him so much.the story goes like this, ge and a girl wete sexting very on and off for a year, they haven't sexted in a year due to her finding a bf... they were engaged in less than a year, and it broke off in august ,she tries to commit suicide, and talked to the elders, she told my brother that and that shes gonna tell on him too.. she got df in august ( shes been reproved before) and its now january 2017.. she claims that she did tell, but because the elders didn't know what his hall was they couldn't do anything, is that a possibility?

  why haven't they talked to him?

  could it bw that she didn't tell on him?

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  Tell your brother to sleep peacefully, nothing will happen. No one is interested in a two years old minor offenses, probably without any evidence.