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  Could end of November be special?

  by Kosonen in

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  did you know that noah entered the ark in the end part of november and also that jesus' followers flead jerusalem around 25th of november 66ce?.

  could it be that a significant group of jehovah's witnesses would begin to flee to the "wilderness" in the end of november?

  revelation 12 speaks about a flight of a symbolic woman to a wilderness.

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  I survived more than forty 25th Novembers, only special thing I saw in JW world was November "worldwide campaign", actually nothing special.
  
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  What’s Your Opinion of Vice President Kamala Harris?

  by minimus in

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  i think she has the happiest laugh i’ve ever heard!.

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  ... or about your enslavement or the torture shots, or about having the whole Third World brought into the country (and natives or legal residents being displaced from their homes), and you get severe penalties. (Including getting your head chopped off.) Even attempting to search for anything that goes beyond what they want you to think results in fines, jail time, or even death.

  
  
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  What Is Truth?

  by minimus in

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  just because you believe something as truth, it doesn’t make it truth.

  religious leaders may be admired and believed but they could be dead wrong.

  politicians can spout out “facts” that support their truth yet once further evidence comes through these facts are questionable.

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  What is the truth, depends often on the domain.

  Example: Does Sun rise every morning from the east, and set every evening on the west? Yes or no?
  

  Yes. That is what we witness everyday. We use that fact to time-space orientation since ever (because our dwelling is limited to surface of the Earth, but that wasn't the question).
  

  No. Sun doesn't "rise" or "set". It is the Earth which rotate around its axis (scientifically correct fact, but mostly useless and ignored in everyday life).
  
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  Has anyone still in or otherwise heard anything about JWs think we only have 12 months before Armageddon?

  by blablabluh in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i’ve noticed a change in family attitude recently, like there is just something extra on their mind.

  i even had to call my brother to check if he was dying and too scared to tell me.

  anyway, i saw a video last night my saying jws think we only have 12 months left before armageddon so thought maybe this is the reason for changes attitude.

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  In a nutshell: do not trust people who lie
  
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  Friend Is Worried About My “Mental Health”...lol

  by minimus in

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  one of my tennis friends who happens also to be a nurse, told me today that he is concerned about my mental health because i support donald trump.

  i believe he got shafted but i also recognize that very little will probably change regarding his being re-elected.

  this man voted for the “green” candidate and said he personally agrees with most of trump’s views but he thinks he’s morally corrupt.

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  Maybe, in the future, all electional dilemmas could be judged at tennis court?
  
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  официальный сайт Свидетелей Иеговы в России

  by mutabor in

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  официальный сайт свидетелей иеговы в россии https://jwrussia.news/news.html.

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  I studied Russian 40 years ago in elementary school and I can still read it easily! I understand maybe a half what I read, after decades of absence. Started with English some years later :) Is there any non-official JW or exJW site like this one, where people exchange their own experiences?
  
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  Telling a JW to pissoff!

  by Overrated in

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  as a jw, have you ever tell an elder, pioneer, or other jw to go pissoff!.

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  As a Jw, Have you ever tell an elder, pioneer, or other Jw to go pissoff!

  Yep, at least in two occasions. The first one: I met an elder in the town, and he start to object to me because I went to college (mostly to avoid military service, but I graduated eventually) and in the same time his two sons, raised in the "truth", was dfed, one because of prostitution and other one becouse of using/dealing drugs. And I yelled all kind of F words to him in the middle of the town main walk area, and dozens of people heard all about that, how JW elder raised two town bums but have objections if someone try to move up.
  

  The second one: some years later I had "privilege" to work in the company runned by an elder, and it was managed like the congregation: only elders could be managers, pioneers had special bonus, and so on, you can imagine. And I witnessed so many frauds, manipulations, dishonesty, and in one occasion I said to one elder F word infront of at least 5 other elders. No one reacted. Just a few days later company owner (local elder) said to me "it was already time for someone to tell him". That was maybe 25 years ago, when I still was PIMI. Both of them was pompous pricks, and they learned to avoid me.
  
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  Will The Magic Number 270 Mean An Automatic Win For Biden?

  by minimus in

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  i don’t think so.

  the election results will probably be decided by the supreme court..

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  Will the WTS Change The Two Witness Rule

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  not according to gb .

  https://youtu.be/ia6x6scywd0.

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  After that Gary Breaux talk in November 2017, there was an article in Watchtower July 2018, pg 32, Questions From Readers: "If an unmarried couple spend the night together under improper circumstances, would that constitute a sin meriting judicial action? Yes, if there are no extenuating circumstances, a judicial committee would be formed on the basis of strong circumstantial evidence of sexual immorality.​" - nothing about two witness, but "strong circumstantial evidence" is enough.

  And again, Watchtower May 2019, pg 11: In the congregation, before the elders take judicial action, why are at least two witnesses required? This requirement is part of the Bible’s high standard of justice. When there is no confession of wrongdoing, two witnesses are required to establish the accusation and authorize the elders to take judicial action. (Deut. 19:15; Matt. 18:16; read 1 Timothy 5:19.) Does this mean that before an allegation of abuse can be reported to the authorities, two witnesses are required? No. This requirement does not apply to whether elders or others report allegations of a crime.

  So, you can be charged and sentenced for an serious offense, but if there no two witness, elders will do nothing officially, no congregational measures at all. But if you spend some time alone with the opposite sex and you both claim that nothing happened (at least nothing without mutual consent), you will be judged "on the basis of strong circumstantial evidence"?

  
  
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  How Often is 1914 Openly Spoken of at the Meetings?

  by Number 6 in

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  2. beliefs

  as someone who left in 1991 aged 21, one of my overriding memories of growing up in the watchtower was being able to "prove" the end times by referencing 1914.. major change in 95 then again after that.

  if i'm being honest i could not even tell you now what the current teaching is.. for those who still attend the meetings, is it still openly spoken about?

  i genuinely curious as i wonder if the teaching will be altogher dropped eventually, and one of the easiest ways to achieve that is to stop speaking about it.

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  1914 is rarely spoken last years, but it is mentioned in WT Public Edition No.2 2020, which will be offered in Worldwide Campaign in November 2020:

  "The sign that Jesus gave, along with Bible chronology, helps us understand that God set up his Kingdom in heaven in the year 1914. * At that time, he installed his Son, Jesus Christ, as King."

  Asterix * leads to -607+2520=1914 math, so they obviously don't planning to abbandon 1914 soon, IMHO.